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Geddes 12-29-2008 01:45 PM

Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Just curious.

How quick have you seen a 302 with (stock,untouched) E7 heads go?

jeff conley 12-29-2008 02:58 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Hi Larry!!! right now the stock record in L/S is with a mustang not a cobra 11.73 @ 111

jeff conley 12-29-2008 04:03 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Larry I read you PM but for some reason it would not let me reply. That's an impressive time with that combo for sure. See ya soon.

Chris1529 12-29-2008 06:27 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
I think there are a few cars out there running K/S that have gone a little quicker than that. I think Richard Zink from eastern ohio.

Chris1529 12-29-2008 06:31 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
he has the K record at 11.49 and the L record at 11.73

Gary Summers from KY has the M/S record at 12.00

Notch1320 12-29-2008 10:52 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Larry.... I am still impressed by those numbers your car ran with the E7 combo! Those NMRA Factory Stock guys, (Tommy Godfrey) is on the verge of 10's with E7's.

PS: I got my clutch issues sorted.. Finally!!!.

Jim Foley 12-30-2008 12:02 AM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Notch1320 (Post 97861)
Larry.... I am still impressed by those numbers your car ran with the E7 combo! Those NMRA Factory Stock guys, (Tommy Godfrey) is on the verge of 10's with E7's.

PS: I got my clutch issues sorted.. Finally!!!.

Just wondering what your car ran with the stock heads? Just curious how stock NMRA Factory Stock is to NHRA/IHRA Stock?


Jim Foley
1220 L/SA-F/FIA

Stephen & Horace Johnson 12-30-2008 12:14 AM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Foley (Post 97867)
Just wondering what your car ran with the stock heads? Just curious how stock NMRA Factory Stock is to NHRA/IHRA Stock?


Jim Foley
1220 L/SA-F/FIA



one of the main difference is they use a street type trans, drag radials, and they cant run any valve angles..


Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

Notch1320 12-30-2008 01:39 AM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
My car has only been 12.19 @108 with a FAT tune, and nothing dialed in. When I say nothing, I mean tune, clutch, shift points, shocks... I have been fighting clutch issues for some time now. Oh... and I am running on 7+ year old slicks. 11's are a few weeks away! Factory Stock guys have a different set of rules to follow. They are not as limited when it comes to internals as we are weight wise, and they have a lot more options than we do. It has been a few years since I have looked at the NMRA rulesbook though. Rich Groh at RGR does Godfrey's motors.

jeff conley 12-30-2008 12:46 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
I've seen inside of most of the factory Stock engines nothing close to a stock eliminator combo all light weight rotating assemblies.

mtkawboy 12-30-2008 01:48 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Please define untouched

Notch1320 12-30-2008 04:46 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Larry's heads... (I beleive) were untouched as in straight out of a stock car... with 150,000 miles!!! I am sure he will chime in, and clarify this, but "untouched", or fresh, either way, very impressive!!!.

Evan Smith 12-31-2008 08:44 AM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Years ago I ran 11.80s with the H.O. combo, but John Presing has been 11.50s at 113 mph using E7 heads. It's hard to compare NHRA and NMRA cars because NHRA cars get slicks and a better drivetrain, but NMRA cars (I believe) can use flat-top pistons and they can run with a much smaller combustion chamber. Either way it's impressive to run 11s with those heads, especially when there are lots of cars with aftermarket aluminum heads that don't run as well.

Evan

Geddes 12-31-2008 10:11 AM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Guys,

Thanks for the input here. I had no intention to compare my thrown together engine, just curious....for fun.

specs:

150,000 miles from an 89 GT (sitting under the bench since '99)
PB Blaster used as the rings were freed, to turn it over. Took a few days of soaking.
E7 heads with plenty of carbon
B-303 camshaft (retarded 4 degrees)
Crane valve spring kit
Cobra 1.7 roller rockers
Edelbrock Performer RPM
575 cfm Demon
Mac 1 5/8" headers
air pan sealed to hood


McLeod diaphragm clutch
GF 5R Transmission, clutchless 3.19 low gear
4.86 gear in the 9 inch

launched @ 6200
shifted @ 6000
crossing at 6200 (tongue hanging out)

3025 pounds
28X10.5 Tires

11.69 and 112 mph. This was a hurry up deal. We thought it would run 12.30 or so.

Thanks,

Larry Geddes

Freddie 12-31-2008 01:44 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Larry: what gear were you running and what RPM did you go thrugh the traps at? I have been struggling to get mine to work right all year, and wandering what gear to use witht he new setup

Stephen & Horace Johnson 12-31-2008 03:41 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan Smith (Post 97972)
Years ago I ran 11.80s with the H.O. combo, but John Presing has been 11.50s at 113 mph using E7 heads. It's hard to compare NHRA and NMRA cars because NHRA cars get slicks and a better drivetrain, but NMRA cars (I believe) can use flat-top pistons and they can run with a much smaller combustion chamber. Either way it's impressive to run 11s with those heads, especially when there are lots of cars with aftermarket aluminum heads that don't run as well.

Evan



NMRA F/S guys run a 58cc head, but none the less, the things they do with a stock combo, as awesome


Evan
I got every mag of your stocker buildup!!!!


Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

Geddes 01-01-2009 12:41 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Freddie,

4.86 gear

6200 rpm in the lights

Freddie 01-01-2009 05:11 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Larry: thanks... are you still running the Kuntz motor? Car looked great in Chicago.

Chris1529 01-01-2009 05:13 PM

Re: Ford guys..........E7 heads question
 
Larry, have you tried the cam at different centerlines?
4 deg retarded seems alot to me for only running 6200 RPM.
Do you use all 5 gears? Is 5th gear 1.1 ?


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