Help a super stock rookie
 

Hey guys:

Great website, and the people on it.
I have a car in progress that was going to be a ET or S/ST car, but now we have the super stock bug. The class we are trying to fit it into is SS/CS. The car is a 67 Chevy II that was mini tubed some years back. The max tire size that will fit is 10.5 x 30R 15. It has ladder bars, and floater setup on mono leafs. We are doing a roll bar to cage add on as we speak. I know this is not the way to go, but its what we have to work with.

My question is do you think we have any chance of making this car work with this setup?

Also, the class is a iron head class and we intend to use iron bowtie SBC heads. what cubic inch engine would you go with. we have a 363 inch combo now that we could put the bowties on, but Im not sure these heads can be made to feed that big of motor a high RPM.

Last question, who is the man for the job as far as porting the iron bowties.

Thanks, Chuck

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Whoever ports the heads on the Mans SS/CS is doing a good job.

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Call Rick Waters at 623 780 8778. Your cid is a little to big, you would be carrying way to much weight. Drop it into the teens or twenties. Call Bob Book @ 815 464 7200 and he will send you a great carb. These guys both know there **** Rick builds some of the fastest comp motors ,Bob has the best carbs and builds some of the fastest pro stock motors out there. Both very smart people and are glad to shoot the **** with you to help you out.

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Keith do you shoot the **** on your bosses time?he was doing alot of complaining at atco.

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Joe I have NO boss U should know that

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Thanks for the info so far. No comments on the tire size or the lack of a 4 link?

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Matt Potts ran 10.30 last year in GT/FA & that was a new Camaro with 30x10.5 Hooisers.

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Steve Wann's SS/HA Cuda has 9" stocker Hoosier radials. High 1.20 60's, 9.70's @ sea level. Bobby D. (AA/SA) and Robert Pond (AA/S, no radials) the same.Big tires are overrated.

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I'm going from a 9x29.5 that saw 10.00's with 7800 RPM launch & Cal-Track system to a really big 12.5x30.5 steam roller tire and plain old ladder bars and mini-tubbed factory wheel house. Trully 20th century tech in the 21st century. :o

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Ok , we will finish the car, weigh it, and then decide on a displacement. We will sell the AFR comp 210's and the Carb, and use the money to get the Bowties done up. with a crank and piston change, we can make this 363 a bit smaller and away we go.Tell all your friends there is a guy selling a few new parts for cheep. LOL

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Chuck, nothing wrong with small tire car. I have 10.5 - 30 with ladder bars on my 93 firebird and I run super stock GT with a stick. If you setup the clutch good you should see 60' in the high 1.20s and maybe better. Call Jim Tarian for poring your cyl. heads 248-879-0815... Luke

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You have a PM.

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we ran a quay car, 67 camaro with ladder bars and floaters 22 years ago and went 10.29 130 with 461x . you will be fine get started. who ever is doing randy manns heads is probably the best out there.do have some bowties done by john haskell aireresearch. palliup wash. will be willing to sell those, wanting to update to new vortec-bowtie. over 7000 invested, will take 2 without intake valves. just went 6.16 111.59 eighth mile this weekend, thompson.ohio.if you have any questions feel free to call me 660-748-5596. although there are other people far more knowledgeble than me on this board. bob lasco for instance.

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Does anyone know what cubic inch Manns is running in SS/CS? What are the latest heads from GM that could be run in CS? Thanks

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the latest heads are either 206 cc or 215 cc vortec bowtie. part no. at gm performance parts.think manns in the 310 range. do not know for sure.

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Manns uses the new GMPP Large Port Vortec Bowtie Head

GMPP #25534446 fully assembled and #25534445 Bare

They have a 225 cc intake port and a 77 cc exhaust port with a 65 cc chamber

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A big thanks to everyone for the information so far. We are working on the cage and other misc. items and as far as the motor goes Im going to complete the 363 with the AFR heads, dyno the package, and use it to shake the car down. then we will sell the motor, less a few items I want to keep, and in the meantime start building a smaller combo.

So as far as iron heads go, the phase 2 bowties that I have would not be as good a starting point as the Vortec heads that someone mentioned? no big deal, the phase 2's were cheep, and they have not had anything done to them as yet.

What area of the country does Randy Mann live, what kind of car does he have, and does he hang out on this board? Randy, if you can hear me, send me a PM.


Thanks again everyone.
Chuck

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Randy and Michael live in the Minneapolis area. Occasionally you'll find them on here. They are running a 2000 firebird that they used to run in GT. Very nice people if you get ahold of him I'm sure he'll help give some advice.

Rick Ryan

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If you want to fly, call Jeff @ Modern Cylinder in mi. @586.468.7914

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I have done several sets of the old Iron Bowties including welding and reconfiguring the exhaust port and changing valve angles a little. Go to my website at www.headbytes.com I can feed 363 inches with those heads NO PROBLEM!!!