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http://www.racingjunk.com/category/9...64-Intake.html

OK you Mopar experts. Is this ad on Racing junk for real or just a sales pitch? Did it really come on a 273?
Not trying to start anything, just want to know. I can't remember anything like it.
I stumbled around in the NHRA site & didn't see anything about it. Could it be one of those hidden options?

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Adger, this might help.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...ghlight=d+dart

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D/Darts came with a the same cast iron manifold as the 235hp models except it was bored out for a larger carb (basically the same size as the Max Wedge). It did not come with the two fours as shown.

That manifold was bought from Edelbrock and was used on the various FX versions. Koffel took the Hemi out of his '65 SS car and put a 273 with this manifold in and ran C/FX with it.

Jim R

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Larry,
I had forllowed that thread & that is what had me thinking this was BS. Those D-Darts were only 1- 4 BBL, I thought. The pictures in this ad is a 2 x4 BBL.. ????

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Adger, As everybody said thats all BS, I was selling Chrysler -Plymouth& Dodges, from 1964 thru 1968, and can tell you the guys are right. One cast iron 4 bbl only !!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Lang

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Yup! The BSometer is maxed out! My dad's Dodge dealership had one of the original D-Darts and I won my first trophy with it at age 15. Single four barrel only! A cast iron factory manifold as stated above. Jim

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Are there any 273/235 hp Ply. Valiants or Barracudas still out there running Stock? Back in the day, a friend ordered a 273/235 Formula S '64 Valiant convertible...4sp, 3.90 sure-grip, Goodyear Blue Streak tires, dk. green w/blk top---a real nice rare little car that went real good....Anyone still campaigning any of these cars??:) WJ

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Bill Bushmaker ("WILLY B" Div. VI long-time MoPar racer) has built a '65 Valiant for his daughter, Angela .

It's a K/SA car that has been running for a couple of years, now. It usually qualifies somewhere in the middle of the pack. I think NHRA lowered the factor on that 235 OEM-rated engine to 210 horsepower back on 6/30/08, making it a natural "J" car, but she runs it in K/SA. She ran it at the national event in Kent this weekend.

It'a a red, '65 Valiant 2-door sedan. I love those cars... Kudos to Bill and Angela for campaigning such an unusual car!

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Paul Wong has a stick version. :)

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My friend's little Formula S, 4sp Valiant convert was the 1st and last I've ever seen....Thought it was a '64, but could've been a '65....I can remember at least 2 of the Valiant 2 dr sedan 235 hp cars that ran the old (and now gone) Div. 1 tracks in New England area. Very cool and very rare little cars...Thanks both Bill and Jeff...;) WJ

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I don't think the "Commando" 235HP motor was available in a Valiant in 1964. It's not in the Classification guide for '64 for the Valiant. '65 is OK.

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You're correct Bill...I found out last nite that his 273/235hp Valiant convert was in fact a '65....Has anyone here seen one of these Formula S Valiants? Am sure there are some early Mopar in-the-know people here...I remember him waiting like 20 wks before taking delivery. It came out of Bancroft Chrysler/Plymouth in Worcester, Massachusetts....Good Year Blue Streak blue line tires, Formula S front fender badges, and all....:) WJ

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I have a 65 valiant signet convertible 235/273 automatic and 65 valiant signet 235 /273 stick stocker. there were enough of these cars built and can be found if your looking for one.

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God, it sucks to get old...ha. The old friend w/the Valiant convertible 273/235 car calls me back awhile ago tonite to confirm that he ORDERED the car in late '65 and it actually was a 1966 model....hopefully, I didn't confuse anyone in-the-know w/all this....and the car had a 3.91 rear gear--not a 3.90. Best wishes. :eek: WJ

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I'd love to see pics of his car.....thanks Al. WJ

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It's a Valiant for sure as I have pictures of it at home. I'll try to post one tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. I wonder why more people haven't tried to run this combo or at least the style car in GT?

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A few pics of the car, a '66 Valiant...

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Since the D/Dart is only allowed in SS where would it fall and would it be competitive or will it need some HP dropped like the 235 cars?

In the day they weren't much quicker than the 235's.

Jim W, what kind of times did you get out of the one that you drove?

I would love to build one of these cars but who wants to spend all that money on a combination that's not competitive?

Jim R

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Thanks for the pics. Anyone know the weight difference between the 2 dr post cars, 2 dr hdtop, and convertible '66 Ply. Valiant cars? Thanks. WJ

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NHRA classification for 1966 D/Dart:

275hp...no factor...SS only.

Dart GT : 2945lbs.....10.71 = SS/I

Dart Convertible* (?)......11.11 = SS/J



* We all know that there were NO convertibles built, why NHRA lists this is a complete mystery to me.

Jim R

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Tree,
I will look through some of my old pics and see what I can find. Off the top of my head it ran 14.0's and up. I know there were many that were faster but that's is what my memory is saying. Jim

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Jim, could you please list the classification for the '66 Valiant Signet convertible w/the Commando 273/235 hp motor? Much thanks. WJ

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W J,

Here you go: stat's for '66 Valiant 235hp.
Stock:
V100 sedan: 2808lbs , 210hp nhra factor , K/S or K/SA
Signet Coupe: 2831lbs, 210hp factor, K/S or K.SA
Signet Convert: 2947lbs, 210 hp, M/S or M/SA

Super Stock:
Sedan: 2808lbs, 230hp factor, SS/K or SS/KA
Coupe: 2831lbs, 230 hp, SS/K or SS/KA
Convert: 2947lbs, 230 hp, SS/K or SS/KA

HP to weight ratio:

V100 = 13.37 for stock, 12.21 for SS
Coupe = 13.48 stock, 12.32 for SS
Convert = 14.03 stock, 12.81 for SS

Oddly enough the NHRA guide shows this engine available for 4 door sedans but not station wagons yet I know an old man in AL that has a maroon station wagon with the 235hp and a 4 speed, he's in his 80's and is the original owner....he bought it in 1965 to tow his boat and take the family along.

WJ

You can find this info by going to the NHRA classification guide at www. nhra.com/competition/classification.aspx; scroll down the page until you find the car and engine combo you want info on.

God luck,

JIm R

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Thanks for the help Jim. I've had some trouble getting into the NHRA guide.....sorry to have to be spoon fed....:D WJ