for real or BS

Adger Smith · 07-19-2009, 06:25 AM

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/9...64-Intake.html

OK you Mopar experts. Is this ad on Racing junk for real or just a sales pitch? Did it really come on a 273?
Not trying to start anything, just want to know. I can't remember anything like it.
I stumbled around in the NHRA site & didn't see anything about it. Could it be one of those hidden options?

Dragsinger · 07-19-2009, 06:57 AM

Adger, this might help.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...ghlight=d+dart

treessavoy · 07-19-2009, 11:31 AM

D/Darts came with a the same cast iron manifold as the 235hp models except it was bored out for a larger carb (basically the same size as the Max Wedge). It did not come with the two fours as shown.

That manifold was bought from Edelbrock and was used on the various FX versions. Koffel took the Hemi out of his '65 SS car and put a 273 with this manifold in and ran C/FX with it.

Jim R

Adger Smith · 07-19-2009, 11:36 AM

Larry,
I had forllowed that thread & that is what had me thinking this was BS. Those D-Darts were only 1- 4 BBL, I thought. The pictures in this ad is a 2 x4 BBL.. ????

John Lang · 07-19-2009, 02:06 PM

Adger, As everybody said thats all BS, I was selling Chrysler -Plymouth& Dodges, from 1964 thru 1968, and can tell you the guys are right. One cast iron 4 bbl only !!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Lang

Jim Wahl · 07-19-2009, 02:37 PM

Yup! The BSometer is maxed out! My dad's Dodge dealership had one of the original D-Darts and I won my first trophy with it at age 15. Single four barrel only! A cast iron factory manifold as stated above. Jim

W J · 07-19-2009, 08:07 PM

Are there any 273/235 hp Ply. Valiants or Barracudas still out there running Stock? Back in the day, a friend ordered a 273/235 Formula S '64 Valiant convertible...4sp, 3.90 sure-grip, Goodyear Blue Streak tires, dk. green w/blk top---a real nice rare little car that went real good....Anyone still campaigning any of these cars??

WJ

bill dedman · 07-19-2009, 11:43 PM

Bill Bushmaker ("WILLY B" Div. VI long-time MoPar racer) has built a '65 Valiant for his daughter, Angela .

It's a K/SA car that has been running for a couple of years, now. It usually qualifies somewhere in the middle of the pack. I think NHRA lowered the factor on that 235 OEM-rated engine to 210 horsepower back on 6/30/08, making it a natural "J" car, but she runs it in K/SA. She ran it at the national event in Kent this weekend.

It'a a red, '65 Valiant 2-door sedan. I love those cars... Kudos to Bill and Angela for campaigning such an unusual car!

Jeff Lee · 07-20-2009, 01:01 AM

Paul Wong has a stick version.

W J · 07-20-2009, 05:55 AM

My friend's little Formula S, 4sp Valiant convert was the 1st and last I've ever seen....Thought it was a '64, but could've been a '65....I can remember at least 2 of the Valiant 2 dr sedan 235 hp cars that ran the old (and now gone) Div. 1 tracks in New England area. Very cool and very rare little cars...Thanks both Bill and Jeff...

WJ

07-19-2009, 06:25 AM	#1
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	for real or BS http://www.racingjunk.com/category/9...64-Intake.html OK you Mopar experts. Is this ad on Racing junk for real or just a sales pitch? Did it really come on a 273? Not trying to start anything, just want to know. I can't remember anything like it. I stumbled around in the NHRA site & didn't see anything about it. Could it be one of those hidden options? __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

07-19-2009, 06:57 AM	#2
Dragsinger VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Liberty City [East Texas] Posts: 1,760 Likes: 5 Liked 99 Times in 60 Posts	Re: for real or BS Adger, this might help. http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...ghlight=d+dart __________________ Larry Woodfin 471W

07-19-2009, 11:31 AM	#3
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: for real or BS D/Darts came with a the same cast iron manifold as the 235hp models except it was bored out for a larger carb (basically the same size as the Max Wedge). It did not come with the two fours as shown. That manifold was bought from Edelbrock and was used on the various FX versions. Koffel took the Hemi out of his '65 SS car and put a 273 with this manifold in and ran C/FX with it. Jim R __________________ Jim Rountree

07-19-2009, 11:36 AM	#4
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: for real or BS Larry, I had forllowed that thread & that is what had me thinking this was BS. Those D-Darts were only 1- 4 BBL, I thought. The pictures in this ad is a 2 x4 BBL.. ???? __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

07-19-2009, 02:06 PM	#5
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: for real or BS Adger, As everybody said thats all BS, I was selling Chrysler -Plymouth& Dodges, from 1964 thru 1968, and can tell you the guys are right. One cast iron 4 bbl only !!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Lang __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

07-19-2009, 02:37 PM	#6
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: for real or BS Yup! The BSometer is maxed out! My dad's Dodge dealership had one of the original D-Darts and I won my first trophy with it at age 15. Single four barrel only! A cast iron factory manifold as stated above. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

07-19-2009, 08:07 PM	#7
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS Are there any 273/235 hp Ply. Valiants or Barracudas still out there running Stock? Back in the day, a friend ordered a 273/235 Formula S '64 Valiant convertible...4sp, 3.90 sure-grip, Goodyear Blue Streak tires, dk. green w/blk top---a real nice rare little car that went real good....Anyone still campaigning any of these cars?? WJ

07-19-2009, 11:43 PM	#8
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: for real or BS Bill Bushmaker ("WILLY B" Div. VI long-time MoPar racer) has built a '65 Valiant for his daughter, Angela . It's a K/SA car that has been running for a couple of years, now. It usually qualifies somewhere in the middle of the pack. I think NHRA lowered the factor on that 235 OEM-rated engine to 210 horsepower back on 6/30/08, making it a natural "J" car, but she runs it in K/SA. She ran it at the national event in Kent this weekend. It'a a red, '65 Valiant 2-door sedan. I love those cars... Kudos to Bill and Angela for campaigning such an unusual car! Attached Images __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 07-19-2009 at 11:46 PM.

07-20-2009, 01:01 AM	#9
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: for real or BS Paul Wong has a stick version. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

07-20-2009, 05:55 AM	#10
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS My friend's little Formula S, 4sp Valiant convert was the 1st and last I've ever seen....Thought it was a '64, but could've been a '65....I can remember at least 2 of the Valiant 2 dr sedan 235 hp cars that ran the old (and now gone) Div. 1 tracks in New England area. Very cool and very rare little cars...Thanks both Bill and Jeff... WJ