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Why not run Class 4 wide and pay a bonus to win, the HP will then take care of itself or people will never win class.

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Herb, thats good !

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Actually I was thinking about If they payed something for Number 1 qualifier. Then gave the number one car a pass as far as the afhs was concerned. You might see a lot more people trying to be number 1. And then the afhs could work better with the 2 through whatever cars.
Qualifying number 1 is a joke the way it stands now. You just get punished for a job well done.

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Artie,the guys trying to protect their combo would just run the car hard enough to keep away from the trigger.There are the rogues (Fezell comes to mind) that don't seem to care
about the AHFS.But most of the guys into the long run wouldn't fall into that trap.
Just my opinion.

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Eddie I was just bringing up the sad point that. You work hard on the car to make it run then you worry about going to fast. Myself included.
And people wonder why we are a dying breed.

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[QUOTE=art leong;178497And people wonder why we are a dying breed.[/QUOTE]

Art, you mean 'cause we are getting older?

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just run 3 wide put the new mustangs and challengers on the return road they can still win class as fast as they are with the f uped hp they got

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Still want Bruton Smith to buy NHRA, watch what you wish for.

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Its amazing how these two types of cars have made so many cars worthless. THe only answer to this is do away with heads up runs during eliminations.

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I think it would be cool to run class 4 wide! What would be wrong with that? Get class in quicker, less runs on your car and done for the day at the track earlier! I had 7 cars in class at Charlotte! That would have been two rounds instead of 4!! They didn't even get to run the final because of weather! So where's the draw back there???

The problem with a lot of you is you are too stubborn to accept change! I'm sure some of the pros bitched about it because they seemed to have problems staging! But I'm sure they were instructed on how to stage, and some were just too bone headed to pick it up! It was fairly simple if you ask me!

Why don't you ask some of our senior racers that may have raced 4 wide back in the day what they think?? Remember, this is not new. They did it at York and Budds Creek!

Bracket racing 4 wide........don't think you'll ever see that! But who knows.

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When the new cars start winning Stock Eliminator then you can throw rocks at them.

But like all racing, until it's run, you don't know who is going to win.

I thought Doug Duell did a great job getting through 4 rounds of eliminations, but it only takes one loss on the way up, to be on the way out.

Cars and drivers, new and old all have a chance. It is what gets done with those chances that makes the difference.....

Frankly, I am still convinced that the older cars with lots of years of runs under them with a driver who is very experienced at getting everything out of them consistently are going to be winning for a long time.

By then, the new stuff will correctly factored, and the world will be back at peace again.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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I agree with Bryan. Why not run class eliminations 4 wide if the track is capable?
From what I understand, they don't run a weekly program there.

I think they should use the 4 lanes to do qualifying, class run offs, and maybe the first couple rounds of competion for everyone. Then they should go back to standard drag racing to runs the last few rounds and focus more on the competition than the show.

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David,

It's not about the new cars winning stock eliminator events. It's ALL about them winning heads-up races. If there were no heads-up races in eliminations, no one would care what HP ratings the new cars have.


-Toby

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[QUOTE=Bryan Worner;178637]I think it would be cool to run class 4 wide! What would be wrong with that? Get class in quicker, less runs on your car and done for the day at the track earlier! I had 7 cars in class at Charlotte! That would have been two rounds instead of 4!! They didn't even get to run the final because of weather! So where's the draw back there???

The problem with a lot of you is you are too stubborn to accept change! I'm sure some of the pros bitched about it because they seemed to have problems staging! But I'm sure they were instructed on how to stage, and some were just too bone headed to pick it up! It was fairly simple if you ask me!

Why don't you ask some of our senior racers that may have raced 4 wide back in the day what they think?? Remember, this is not new. They did it at York and Budds Creek
Bracket racing 4 wide........don't think you'll ever see that! But who knows.[/QUOTE

Bryan,You won't see 4 wide racing,except at Zmax and MAYBE Vegas is Money Bags Bruton decides to spend the money.No other track will spend that kind of money on a whimsical proposition.Beside,the insurance hikes to the tracks would be absorbed by you know who,if they could even get that kind of coverage.
The pros have a valid complaint.The current setup now has the possibility of racing the guy you beat twice in the final,and losing to him.How would you like to race under those conditions.It would be like havig buy backs.I know we all would love seeing that in S/SS.
I saw 4 wide racing at NY National in the late 60s and early 70s.Jets,funny cars and the early pro stocks.My memory isn't that clear but I think Ed Eaton also ran some bracket stuff 4 wide.National was a pretty wide track though,but still not very safe.

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;178678]Ed Eaton ran brackets 4 wide for a while I remember 4 cars breaking out at once, and they all lost.
Old Ed Eaton saved a lot of trophies that way.

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[QUOTE=art leong;178690] Artie how about the famous red light button he supposedly had available to him?Rember that rumor?

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;178692]Yes I do. But it was never proven.
With wonderful NHRA in the final round of Seattle, they did everything they could to stop us from winning the W.R. Grace Cup. But the jerks didn't realize at Ontario there was never a full field so all we had to do was drive to the starting line to qualify and win the Cup.

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This would sure make cheating a lost art. Except for class and records no one would bother unless money came back in for class wins. The $$$$$$ in the game such as we see today would be thrown out the window except for those few with more money than brains (sounds like some on here already) and a BIG ego. . Id vote for it but my vote dosent count....lol. It might come down to it because of the expense of keeping records, the AHFS; up to date engine specs, and GOOD (people who know what this stuff should look like and have no "friends" in the tear down barn) and knowledgeable tech guys like Travis and Dave Ley, etc. It has almost become a lost art to have the love, work ethic and dedication it takes to be a good stock and S/S tech person. OK....so shoot me but thats how I see it today.

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;178692]The "RED LIGHT" button was a real deal at Aquasco in Md.back in the 50's and 60's. I saw it used and know the guy who pushed the button. I heard the rumor of one at Capitol Raceway but never saw it. The same family owned both tracks at that time AND Ciecil County.

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[QUOTE=X-TECH MAN;178700]In Seattle 1980 there was nothing as sophisticated as a button Just a time slip that said we went 9 something (hard to read). Then the win light coming on when both cars were underway. And the third time might have been right. But we still won the Grace Cup
We ran the final round 3 times.

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During class run offs, 4 wide and a wall just high enough so you may not see the other 3 cars until after the finish line. So now you dont know if you should run it all out to win class or lift and may be lose class. AHFS will get a work out.

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Ed F.
Still remember my father racing at New York National Speedway.
4-wide in 1970. Ran some bizarre AHRA class. Took us nearly 3 hours to get there from Putnam County.
Ran one Time Trial at 11:00 AM. 4 cars for class at 2:00 PM.
Won class (some odd thing called G/Comp, NHRA class was K/S). with one race 4-wide, got trophy (a cheap thing at that), and went home.
Center Moriches, way out there!!
4-wide,, OK with the stockers, but everything else...Got to think?
Paul

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Ed, obviously it would only be done at 4 lane race tracks!!

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Exactly,Bryan.And how many do we now and probably ever in the near future have?

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Herb,

Not to stir up the heads up in elimnations "discussion", but what would happen at four wide (what did Wilkerson call it...) where lane 1 is B/SA, lane 2 is W/S, lane 3 is B/SA, and lane 4 is I/SA? Do the 2 B/SA cars have to run each other flat out yet not break out?
Hey, maybe I could get a job with NHRA as Sportsman Czar.....

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Once a few more major issues arise w/4 wide, or a huge accident, I'm betting it'll fade away....just like wide whitewalls did...The original "save time when oil-downs occur theory" by swapping over to the spare 2 lanes was great, though....just my .02......WJ

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I've got the solution for 4 wide racing! If you like it, go to Charlotte and/or Vegas (once it's converted)! If you don't like it.......stay away from those two tracks!

I just think it would be cool to try to run class 4 wide at those tracks! My class (7 cars) would have been decided on the track, not on paper!

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i would like 4 wide for class but not elim.
and i have done 4 wide in 1966 at york, pa

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I can't imagine what could be wrong with 4 wide class run-offs. It would save time and equipment.

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VIC,
Your absolutely correct.
If done, for 'Class Only'.
Can you just imagine an old style eliminator.
A/S; Lane 1
O/SA; Lane 2
F/SA; Lane 3
H/S; Lane 4
Imagine the racers panicking,, what Lane did he say???
Or how about, 'How Many Four-Letter words can you spell?
Oh Well,,,'at least they tried'.
Double-Wide x 2.

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I'm sure if the fastest of the 4 cars is in a center lane the driver could get whiplash checking both sides to see when he can dump.

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Ive done 3 at a time when I was younger but only because I couldnt get the 4th girl to join in. !

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"I'm sure if the fastest of the 4 cars is in a center lane the driver could get whiplash checking both sides to see when he can dump"

-now that is funny!
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X-Tech,
If you only offered more 'Candy',, I'm sure the 4th would have joined in!!
Paul,,,If I only had more hands!!!

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In your dreams! Only in your dreams. Jim


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Guess that would be his problem. So far I have not seen anybody in my class dump. Some guys (Lloyd) like to run fast.

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Looks like we may not see 4-wide in "real" competition anymore! :)

http://www.competitionplus.com/index...points-anymore

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I'm glad to see someone stand up to the idiots running OUR association.