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SuperCarFan 11-15-2012 08:50 PM

2013 2.9L Super Cobra Jet Crash at Cecil County
 
Think it was a charity race / track rental this last weekend. The in-car really shows how LONG he stayed in it and got back into it with the wheels turned when it came down...glad he was okay and the safety equipment did it's job! Hats off to Jesse Kershaw and Ford Racing for their work on designing a good cage!


SuperCarFan 11-15-2012 08:55 PM

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SuperCarFan 11-15-2012 09:01 PM

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Don't agree with the "Entertaining" comment on the end of the video. Watch it in 480p resolution. He was still on it after crossing the centerline!

John Duzac 11-15-2012 09:28 PM

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I am sorry to see any race car damaged like this. Just glad to see no one was hurt. As i see it, seems that there is way too much power for these cars running on the 9" tire. These cars should be running on 12" tires and even running in Super Stock. A lot of guys will not agree with that comment.

Take a look at the in car video, you can see and tach and hear the engine get to the point of no return. The driver stayed in it way too long. This is just my opinion. We all have made runs that we should have aborted.

The track prep may have played a roll into the mishap. I have been on tracks at test N tunes and the back half of the track is not sprayed. You will leave the line normally and 3rd and 4th gear the car gets real loose. Data system will confirm way too much tire spin.

Ross Family Racing 11-15-2012 10:21 PM

Re: 2013 2.9L Super Cobra Jet Crash at Cecil County
 
Seems he turned the steering wheel to the right when he was in the air.That surely didn't help.
Jeff Ross

frank v 11-15-2012 10:25 PM

Re: 2013 2.9L Super Cobra Jet Crash at Cecil County
 
He was turning the steering wheel like he was making a right turn and he was still in the air

FED 387 11-15-2012 10:56 PM

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Looks like the car went left at the hit if you look at the last video of it--He definately turned the wheel right also listen to the engine sounds like he either is on off the throttle or it is spinning the tires plus looking at the way everybody is bundled up probably a cold track too did'nt help either---FED387

brent flynn 11-15-2012 11:04 PM

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track coulda been some of the problem.... but, he stayed in it way too long... he had to be feeling the car goin that way, or he wouldnt have been turning the wheel(in hopes he could bring it back with the wheels off the ground...)... I know we all have done stupid stuff, but, gotta be able to make a split second decision on when to lift, or not to lift... glad nobody was hurt... im sure the car will be fixed...maybe keep them on the ground, instead of gettin out of control...unfortunately, that would have helped :(

Notch1320 11-15-2012 11:07 PM

Re: 2013 2.9L Super Cobra Jet Crash at Cecil County
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Duzac (Post 356416)
I am sorry to see any race car damaged like this. Just glad to see no one was hurt. As i see it, seems that there is way too much power for these cars running on the 9" tire. These cars should be running on 12" tires and even running in Super Stock. A lot of guys will not agree with that comment.

Plenty of tire......The guys racing in the "heads up" world are running 26 x 8.5 tires with well over 1500HP.

H Hoover 11-16-2012 10:06 AM

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How did that car lift the front end like that? My experience level is low in cars like this but that really surprised me. I didn't think the small blower cars would do that. If I was driving I would have bailed as soon as I started seeing the sky through the windshield.

Chad Rhodes 11-16-2012 10:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Notch1320 (Post 356433)
Plenty of tire......The guys racing in the "heads up" world are running 26 x 8.5 tires with well over 1500HP.

And they wreck cars like a Saturday night short track race too

troublemaker427 11-16-2012 10:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Notch1320 (Post 356433)
Plenty of tire......The guys racing in the "heads up" world are running 26 x 8.5 tires with well over 1500HP.

X2. It amazes me how out of touch some people within our sport are about how fast and consistent others are running on a small tire in the heads up/outlaw world.

Notch1320 11-16-2012 11:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 356469)
And they wreck cars like a Saturday night short track race too

You sure about that? Now they do only run 1/8th mile, but there have only been a handfull of crashes that I have heard about or witnessed. Yes, they do crash. Go attend one of these events and I bet you see otherwise.

Here is the car I was crewing on a couple weeks ago......Leaf Springs and 3490lbs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcH7avsbSto

Chris1529 11-16-2012 11:03 AM

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what were those things loose in the cockpit?

Ed Wright 11-16-2012 11:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Notch1320 (Post 356474)
You sure about that? Now they do only run 1/8th mile, but there have only been a handfull of crashes that I have heard about or witnessed. Yes, they do crash. Go attend one of these events and I bet you see otherwise.

Here is the car I was crewing on a couple weeks ago......Leaf Springs and 3490lbs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcH7avsbSto

I have seen them run. Aborted runs and crashes, only running to half track, are not uncommon at all. I can't imagine finding those cars all that impressive.

Brett C 11-16-2012 11:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris1529 (Post 356475)
what were those things loose in the cockpit?

Black cap and the dash panel where the passenger air bag would be. Ours flies off on violent wheelies too.

Brett Candies
4192 Stock/SS

boostedf22c 11-16-2012 11:44 AM

Re: 2013 2.9L Super Cobra Jet Crash at Cecil County
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Duzac (Post 356416)
As i see it, seems that there is way too much power for these cars running on the 9" tire. These cars should be running on 12" tires and even running in Super Stock. A lot of guys will not agree with that comment.

Tire size had nothing to do with this accident.

Stephen & Horace Johnson 11-16-2012 11:46 AM

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I race at alot of the outlaw races around my area!!! Its the hottest thing goin in this area,but i will say this alot of the wrecks around here are bad driving and horrible track prep and\or not respecting the vehicle!!! You see guys gettong out of shape and romping the throttle with those little tires!! I saw a limited street car wreck his car 3 times in a month and all cases were bad driving and even he admitted it!! My old man always taught me from day 1 if it gets loose or out of shape get out of it....its not worth wrecking,hurting yourself or others!!! I wish the outlaw racers thought the same way!!!!

Notch1320 11-16-2012 12:05 PM

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Outlaw racers have a different mentality for sure....driver error/stupidity shows up in all levels of racing. My point is, tire size is not the major concern here. I have voiced my opinion on several occasions to a fellow racer who was in the lane next to me about how they have handled certain situations concerning their car during a run. I learn something every pass in my car... I wish others would do the same.

Jim Wahl 11-16-2012 12:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen & Horace Johnson (Post 356482)
I race at alot of the outlaw races around my area!!! Its the hottest thing goin in this area,but i will say this alot of the wrecks around here are bad driving and horrible track prep and\or not respecting the vehicle!!! You see guys gettong out of shape and romping the throttle with those little tires!! I saw a limited street car wreck his car 3 times in a month and all cases were bad driving and even he admitted it!! My old man always taught me from day 1 if it gets loose or out of shape get out of it....its not worth wrecking,hurting yourself or others!!! I wish the outlaw racers thought the same way!!!!

Good advice Kid! Once you're out of shape it's crazy to keep going! Just not worth it in so many ways. Jim


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69Cobra 11-16-2012 01:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen & horace johnson (Post 356482)
my old man always taught me from day 1 if it gets loose or out of shape get out of it....its not worth wrecking,hurting yourself or others!!! I wish the outlaw racers thought the same way!!!!

x2

boostedf22c 11-16-2012 01:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen & Horace Johnson (Post 356482)
My old man always taught me from day 1 if it gets loose or out of shape get out of it....its not worth wrecking,hurting yourself or others!!! I wish the outlaw racers thought the same way!!!!

I wish more people would follow this logic. I couldn't even begin to count how many times I've gotten out of the throttle during a pass...... just this year :)

Harry 6674 11-16-2012 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedf22c (Post 356493)
I wish more people would follow this logic. I couldn't even begin to count how many times I've gotten out of the throttle during a pass...... just this year :)

I would thing things could go wrong in a hurry in your car. Pretty quick and pretty short.

Bobby Lundholm 11-16-2012 04:52 PM

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I may be wrong but wasn't that a two-step button he hits on the steering wheel? I thought per NHRA all two-step buttons had to be on the brake pedal?

Mike Fuller 11-16-2012 04:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Lundholm (Post 356517)
I may be wrong but wasn't that a two-step button he hits on the steering wheel? I thought per NHRA all two-step buttons had to be on the brake pedal?

I think your right.

boster 11-16-2012 08:03 PM

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Here is the video of my car going up way to high , I got out of it but I still did over 10k in damage to the car . I did as several other have stated "got out of it " when there was only blue sky. Johnny you got to lift and not turn that wheel

x2 on the 2 step button

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5DriDp-AgE&feature=plcp

H Hoover 11-16-2012 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boster (Post 356549)
Here is the video of my car going up way to high , I got out of it but I still did over 10k in damage to the car . I did as several other have stated "got out of it " when there was only blue sky. Johnny you got to lift and not turn that wheel

x2 on the 2 step button

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5DriDp-AgE&feature=plcp

I watched your video from the Dutch and cringed as you came down. At least your view of the sky was gradual. This guy from Cecil seemed to explode off the starting line with more acceleration than I would think is possible. I have one of the 2012 4.0 cars and after seeing this crash, I may have to revise my plans. I have been working up to these power levels with my slower car but something like that happening might make me put on the Depends before I run the car at wide open throttle. So far I have kept the throttle max 45 degrees at wide open and that was pretty fast. You guys have balls.

KRatcliff 11-16-2012 08:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H Hoover (Post 356551)
I watched your video from the Dutch and cringed as you came down. At least your view of the sky was gradual. This guy from Cecil seemed to explode off the starting line with more acceleration than I would think is possible. I have one of the 2012 4.0 cars and after seeing this crash, I may have to revise my plans. I have been working up to these power levels with my slower car but something like that happening might make me put on the Depends before I run the car at wide open throttle. So far I have kept the throttle max 45 degrees at wide open and that was pretty fast. You guys have balls.

Wheelie bars?

boster 11-16-2012 08:40 PM

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I forgot to add that my dumb ***** is installing them now. They would have saved me . Hoover I got out in time before it went higher . We had just installed the 2014 front end bushing in that car . It had never been in the air like that untill they were installed . Ford is refining these cars and the new ones should be taken very seriously when you get behind the wheel of one . They are the real deal

Sean Cour 11-16-2012 09:33 PM

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That's why there is a knob on top of the front strut. Right is tight!

600ci 11-16-2012 10:24 PM

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I didnt get who tried to drive that car, was it the owner ? just want to make sure I never see him in the lane next to me. He made to many mistakes, probably before he even staged, I wont go into detail but most pro drivers saw what happened

boostedf22c 11-17-2012 12:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boster (Post 356549)
I got out of it but I still did over 10k in damage to the car .


Damn dude, you need some better shocks up front. Give Ron at Santhuff's a call.....361-364-3169 :)

boster 11-17-2012 12:50 AM

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Carey , I've run Rons stuff for years , but not on this car as the front wheels have always stayed on the ground . The damage was to the engine , oil pan was pushed into pick up and spun a bearing .

Even if I had Ron's shocks on the car the setting would not have been correct . On my other CJ we run with the front shocks all the way lose as the front wheel stay on the ground with it as well .

The change to the front bushing is a major enchancement by Ford , I did not know just how much better it was the stock , but I do now

kdanner 11-17-2012 01:28 AM

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Bo, do you have a part number for those bushings by chance?

FINESPLINE 11-17-2012 01:33 AM

Re: 2013 2.9L Super Cobra Jet Crash at Cecil County
 
The wheelstand of Ralph Porpora's A/S Camaro was quite similiar as far as how fast and high the front end popped up.

Jeff Lee 11-17-2012 01:48 AM

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Curious...what's this bushing all about? Where is it and why is the new one so much better?

I've got the Cal-Track wheelie bar going on my car. 97" WB cars like mine are prone to poppin' the wheels up pretty easy. I also invested in the AFCO's w/ BNC valving and altered the valving for stiffer rebound from what I ran before.

It doesn't look like too many of these new super cars run wheelie bars. I know a 2-speed auto will kill a lot of bottom end but a big SC on top of an engine will certainly give back a ton of bottom end! Just because you spend $100K on a factory turn-key race car doesn't mean you shouldn't consider a revision or two.

KevinS 11-17-2012 01:35 PM

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The way the '13 comes from Ford the button he holds is the line lock and the 2 step is on the brake.

boster 11-17-2012 07:09 PM

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Here is a link to the new bushing kit . Dont know what they are made of but they really losen up the front end on the new CJ and old one's as well . Depending on where you get them they run between $580 - $700. Worth the money


http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=13110

Notch1320 11-17-2012 07:34 PM

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^^^ $700 for that? WOW!

kdanner 11-18-2012 03:44 PM

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Thanks Bo! I suspected it was that one, but since it didn't say CJ anywhere on the page I wanted to be sure.


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