A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

As many of you know Brainerd International Raceway S/SS COMBOS WILL BE
2 DAY, 2 RACE EVENTS.
What are your comments or concerns likes or dislikes wit this?

Thanks!

Glen DeMenge


Racer admission (general admission) and race entry are separate fees. Racer and spectator admission is paid at the front gate while race entry will be processed at BIR's Shirt Shack. BIR Season Champion cards will cover both general admission and racer entry. Otherwise a general admission ticket must be purchased by anyone entering the facility. This includes all Racers, Crew, and Spectators, as well as anyone wishing to “drop” a trailer.

Again kids 12 and under are free this year. (Including the NHRA Nationals) Please be honest about the age of your children. If we find that this is being abused we will stop the policy for everyone.

Race Entry Fee (Racers also need a General Admission ticket for entry)

Stock/Super Stock - $90 per race

Bracket Class - $65 per race
Includes: Super Pro, Pro ET, Sportsman, and Bike/Sled

Trophy Classes - $25 per race
Includes: Comp Trophy & Street Trophy

Jr. Dragster - $20 per race
Includes: Jr.Advanced (13-18 year olds), Jr. Intermediate (10-12 year olds) & Jr. Novice (8 & 9 year olds)

Licensing Passes - $55 per weekend

Jackpot - $50 per race

Friday - Open Test & Tune - $55 per day
Basic Test & Tune. Make as many runs as time allows.

Jr. Dragster Test & Tune - $25 per day

Points Fund - Cash Payout Classes $35
Points Fund - Non-cash Payout Classes $20 (Trophy & Junior Dragster Classes


Racer and Spectator General Admission

ADULT:
Thurs-Sun $45
Fri-Sun $35
Sat-Sun $25
One Day $15



Again, if you are looking for more information please go to www.brainerdraceway.com or a link to the bracket page is

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

In past years, BIR had a hard time finishing one race in two days, I question whether they will be able to pull this off. I know the car count has been down and they have been finishing early on Sunday. If it works as planned, it will be a good program for everyone. I will try to support it. Dyno

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

A 'prorated' payout I'm affraid won't draw many more Class cars.

Glenn---do you have what our average S/SS combo car count was?
The way I read it, we need AT LEAST 36 cars to have $1,000 to win...vs our $205 weekend entry ($25 gate fee included Sat-Sun).

The 2-day event is something long over-due in my opinion.

What I don't get on BIR's website it states 1 time trial, and 1 qualifying run prior to each event. Why not make them BOTH Q runs?

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Hi Travis
As for payout it's quite simple. the more cars that race more $$$ for payout that you can win.
If everybody would just show up AND race, the payout is VERY good in comparison to a divisional race or a national event.


If we have 32 cars it will be
$1000 to win Sat.
AND
$1000 TO WIN Sun.
(2 SEPARATE RACES 2 SEPARATE PAYOUTS.)
1 Saturday and 1 Sunday.

Entry fee is $90.00 per day
and a $25 Sat.-Sun. general adm.

So you'd actually be racing for $2000 to win VS your $205 entry / gate fee)
AND HAVE 2 CHANCES TO WIN IT!
NOT JUST $1000

Now with 2 day events you double your chances to win $$$ for the cost of 1 tow.
It seems to make economical sense to me.

The time trial / qualifying statement is simply a misprint.
Both runs WILL BE QUALIFYING PASSES!!!

I will have this addressed ASAP in order to eliminate confusion & put wondering minds at rest.

Thank You
Glen DeMenge

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

I like it!

I don't think running Jackpot is a good idea however. Jackpot was good when only Jr's and S/SS were running eliminations, but with all classes running eliminations each day, it may be challenging to finish on time or by the curfew....

I think we averaged around 30 last year.

Tim

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

I'll be there

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

I know what you are saying about the time management.
This is a concern of mine as well.
We are all going to need to cooperate in order for this to work smoothly.
It was time for BIR to do something fresh to bring in more racers.
My hat is off to them for trying such a bold move.
I think it has excellent potential.
Lets give this a shot before picking it all apart we need a place to race and I can't think of a nicer place to race that BIR.

Glen DeMenge


QUOTE=Dyno;368300]In past years, BIR had a hard time finishing one race in two days, I question whether they will be able to pull this off. I know the car count has been down and they have been finishing early on Sunday. If it works as planned, it will be a good program for everyone. I will try to support it. Dyno[/QUOTE]

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Hi Tim
I think 30 was the average S/SS car count last year.
I don't think that a (jackpot) race will be run.
Just a complete elimination race for every class each day.
with 2 "Q" runs on Sat. and 1 on Sun.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

I understand the MATH Glenn, I just would hope the Class cars show up to have a good payout. What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.

BIR's Bracket program/payout is FANTASTIC! $65 entry per/day ($25 gate fee), $2000 win (after run off). Of course, that's 2-3 rounds more to WIN to get there. So on the Bracket side, you can pay $155 for the weekend and run for a guaranteed $4000.

Just have to figure out which car I bring up for the events.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Thunder Valley does it by having a very hard working group raise extra money for the purse. I am sure if you did the same more racers would show up at BIR.

Makes no real difference to me as I will probably be off playing on the trails with the RZR instead or racing.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

to answer Travis' question....
""What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.""

I can answer this for you very simply...
The racers in the Thunder Valley area, who own cars, go to the track and race their cars!
That's how you get a good car count. It's that simple!
That is the fix for the car count issue.

Glen DeMenge


[quote=5919 SSKA;368319]What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Glenn I hope your not pointing fingers at me with regards to showing up to races. Between my bracket car and super stocker, in an average year I run 14-16 events and have since the late 90s. Double entering S/P and Pro...and even tripple entering a couple of times when someone else could haul my Super Stocker.

As for rasing funds for our S/SS combo's if any of you recall I had one of my sponsors post a fun 'contingency' for $300 W/$100 R-U years ago when BIR tried to run a BIG $ S/SS combo. I didn't even race S/SS back then! We paid out over $1,000 in 2 years. Between Brackets and S/SS. Last year at the National Open at Top End I had another sponsor of mine give away a couple of Certificates to his chassis shop. As well the year prior, when I tried to organize an event there and only had 10 cars show...3 of those out of MY shop. On top of the countless 'fish fry's/pot luck's' I've hosted.

I run all over Division 5 and some of Division 3 chasing MY Super Stock dreams. I'm happy doing what I do. I like the travel and to meet different racer's. BIR IS MY HOME TRACK...make no mistake about it. It's the best facility in our area. However, YOU asked for our thoughts at the beginning.......I just simply told you MY opinion. I for one, like to know what I'm racing for before I pull through the gates! Not the, if there's this many it pays this, or if there's more it pays this. If I know the program, then it's MY decision if I race at the track or not. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that running a Super Stocker or high dollar Stocker for that matter, for anything less than $1,000 to WIN makes sense....just MY opinion.

I talked to the owner just a bit ago on a social media site...average car count in 2012 was 25....just an FYI.

MN racer's tend to support the Midwest Classracer's events at Thunder Valley because they 'guarantee' a payout. Now that being said, now that BIR has stepped to the plate and offered up a 2-day event....will the Midwest Classracer's turn around an support OUR home track back???

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Well, I guess it was 25 I stand corrected!
How ever: 32 cars will pay $1152 to win
and not 36 as previously stated.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Good luck with that.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

All,

Lately, I have had a lot of discussions with Track Owners, Managers and local S/SS organizations regarding local S/SS races at multiple tracks located in the Division 5 area. There has also been lots of discussion from the USA organization and Midwest Class Racers organization to have good payouts at most of these events. We have a VERY GOOD opportunity with BIR with the S/SS program. In the past we were able to have a single race on each weekend and now we have a chance to try two day races throughout the 2013 season at BIR. The June 7th - 9th race was dropped since it was the week after the BIR divisional and conflicted with the Midwest Class Racer event at Thunder Valley in Marion, SD.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Thanks Scott!
my post was all jarbeld-up.
This is much more clear on what the pay out will be!!
THANKS!!

Glen DeMenge

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

As far as the June race, have the Midwest Guys ever supported BIR at the S/SS Events?? Why cancel that race for S/SS ?

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Do you need an NHRA permanent # to race those races, I seemed to have forgot to reup my membership to NHRA and my perm #. If I do, I'll just race the brackets. Thanks

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

That's a good question.
I'll see if I can find out the answer to that.
I thought you had to be a NHRA member to race at an NHRA track but I'm not sure?
Something to do with the insurance??

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

If No Show Joe is comming back racing count Me in. Joe you'll have to pass Teck so you need new Belts and in your case new suspenders too.
and $90 Toad Skins for each day.

Travis this race will pay the same if not more then a Division the only thing if you win you don't get a Wally, Maybe Glen can print some up
and whoever win's then you can plaster on your Car or Trailer.

For the track I know that Dan, Steve, & Ryan have the track as good as any track that I have Raced at and I've race at alot in the past years !!

Just My Thoughts Kerby:cool:

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Definitely sounds good! Thanks to Glen,Scott, and whoever else worked to make this happen. I know I am much more likely to hit more events there this year because of this.

Jason

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Plan on supporting these events! Thanks in advance for the effort by all who have contributed to the process. Doug

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

With the amount of races on this weekend and the BIR Divisional the weekend before it was decided to remove this race for S/SS. This race was a conflict last year with Midwest Class Racer event and Joliet Division 3 Points race. That would be the same conflict this year. In the past when BIR had a two day race for the USA group there were multiple cars that were from the Midwest Class Racer group. There is always the option to still race at BIR on June 7th-9th in bracket trim.

Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013
 

Sounds like a great deal two races for one tow. We only have so much summer
here may as well take advantage of it. Now lets get after it!!!!!