'69 Camaro hood
I was informed on the weekend that a Super Stock '69 Camaro convertible with a 255hp combo is no longer legal with the cowl hood in NHRA. can some shed light on this please?
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Nevermind i found the bulletin. well my car raced that way since '71. I'm not buying a hood so i guess i will save money on NHRA membership.
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The hood was not originally available from Chevrolet with the 255 hp engine combination. The lowest hp motor in an SS where the hood was an option was the 350/300 hp motor. I remember the Lingenfelter 69 Camaro ran that combo in the early 70s with the 255 hp combo, but that car was originally a 69 SS pace car which came with the hood standard. I am not a class racer, but I assumed that NHRA allowed the hood with all the 255 hp cars that have ran the hood for years. The hood was an option later in the year on all SS engines, Z/28s and standard on the COPO cars and pace cars.
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So the hemi cars can cut as much of their cylinder heads they want, but nhra is making their stand on 255hp camaro hoods?
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We can run racing seats which don't appear anywhere near stock but not the hood.
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The seats are a safety item and how did the hemi heads get into the discussion?
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When the Stocker Camaro's loose the cowl hood and replace it with a flat hood, i'l predict a performance loss of.....................ZERO!
But there may be a loss due to less hood clearance on an Super Stock Camaro. I'll bet it's minimal. And if it is more than minimal, you'll see a lot of '69 Camaro's jump from SS class to GT/SS class. |
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Hoods, seats, heads.....seat belts...
its the interpretation/application/tolerance/consistency of the rules that causes issues and additional costs to racers that could be avoided. Cowl hoods were available from dealers back then, not sure parachutes are for stockers today, safety or not :) :) :) MB |
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I would guess that anyone not running the 255 combo will argue that there will be not performance loss however as we all know unless you run a combo and do back to back exact conditions your only expressing your opinion. Performance loss or not the cost will be expensive and all the other pieces associated with the cowl hood; air cleaner, cowl seals,paint, cowl hood, etc are just so much junk now.
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Probably the same reason the 67 L-88 Corvette was removed from the guide. Too much crying from too many whiners.
Yet we have cars in Stock Eliminator that were NEVER produced, never mind having a VIN number and being legal to drive on the street. NHRA is no longer the organization it once was. |
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'70 chevy Monte Carlo convertible. It would be fun to build one and show up at a race with it. How did they arrive at shipping weights for a car built of pure nonexistanium?
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That's a dumb rule. The factory cowl hood is heavy, anybody running it is subjecting themselves to a weight penalty anyhow.
Someone needs to produce a build sheet of a special order 255 HP 69 with a cowl hood and stuff that in their face. It appears that it wasn't available as stated http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10210.0 BUT, no one knows 100% for sure that a 255 HP model NEVER came off the line with a cowl hood. |
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Even more reading.
http://www.classracer.com/classforum...d.php?p=197386 Dwight Sutherland "Since the 1969 production year was abnormally long due to the late introduction of the 1970 model and the immense popularity of the 1969 models, by late April of 1969 to the end of the production in September, the lines got really blurred about restrictions of option combinations. The ZL2 hood option became available on any four-barrel equipped Camaro by that time, so 350-255 cars did come with the hood. As a personal note, I coached a friend of mine in optioning a 1969 Camaro he ordered. He was attending college at the time and was receiving some money from his dad who required "no hot rod". He ordered a base Camaro with an F41 suspension, 350-255, four speed, positraction, spoilers, ZL2 hood, disc brakes, HD rear axle, custom interior and several other comfort features. Nice car. Not too fast, but one that many would covet today. " |
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What I've noticed in almost all racing classes is that once someone starts dominating a class, people start complaining and get the rules changed.
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40Coupe: I just researched the issue on the Camaro site and the LM1 350/255 was only available in the Camaro through December 68. The L65 350/250 2bbl motor replaced it effective January 69. The 327 2bbl motor was also replaced by the 307 2bbl motor at the same time in the Camaro. As I stated in the above post, the two options were not available at the same time from Chevrolet. I hope this sheds some light on the availability of the LM1 and ZL2 factory options.
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Well I guess NHRA has nothing better to do! I can say for my self that there is no performance gain from running the hood but wow does it look much better than the flat hood!
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If anyone wants one:
http://www.up22.com/camaro69.htm CA-192 1969 Camaro stock flat hood( Uses Front Latch) H 329.00 Actually more $ than a a Z28 stock hood with air box! |
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Fiberglass hoods are a No-No on a '69 Camaro Stocker
From their website, "Unlimited Products is considered to be one of the largest aftermarket fiberglass producers." I had one on my '69 Camaro......after I sold the GM ZL-2, I guess it was called hood.... |
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When they get rid of the hoods what will they bitch about then????????
That Camaro is not the problem, the hood is not the problem. It's the guy sitting in the seat thats the problem. He can drive anything and win. Hammer |
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How about a Hemi hood scoop on white 1966 Belvedere. When was that offered from the factory?
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We fans like what you all do to your cars. To think they want you to spend more money on non sensical stuff is absurd.
What a waste of time the nhra is making you do to your cars, most important is the wasted money spent. nhra helllooooooo. let the boys play, I always watch stock and super stock and appreciate thje attention to detail the cars have. Chris |
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We can run fiberglass or aluminium racing seats, fuel cells, electric water pumps, three or four speed trans in cars that never came that way, and soon maybe aluminium radators, etc.. but we can't run a hood which NHRA claims adds zero hp since they're not reducing the hp with the hood change. GO FIGURE!
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In 1967. LoL. |
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"Engine/Body styles highlighted in tan are available as flat hood with battery in engine compartment OR battery relocation in trunk with hood scoop" Let me see, do I want a flat hood with the battery up front, or a scoop with the battery in the trunk? Tough decision. |
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How about an AAR Cuda hood on a Pink 1970 Hemi Cuda?
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Concerning the hood scoop on the mopars. In 1967 Dodge offered a WO-23 package and Plymouth offered a RO-23 package. Both cars were plain jane "B" bodies with the Super Stock race hemi engine, hood scoop, and battery in the trunk. Neither of these two cars fit in Stock eliminator. I have a listing through Chrysler tech bullitins of every mopar to leave the factory with a hood scoop. There was never a hood scoop offered or placed on a 1966 anything. When I saw the stock classification guide stating the hood scoop was legal in 66 and 67, I immediatly contected nhra and asked them how they could say something was legal when it was never made, the 1966. Then I asked them how is the 1967 legal for Stock when it was a Super Stock package only. I am still waiting for an answer.
There's my nickle's worth. John Bender 1969 E/SA 1967 GTX |
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