Crate Motor Pure Stock
 

Was wondering if IHRA would consider Crate Motor Pure Stock.

Use existing newer engines already in the Classification Guide.
Would not have to reinvent the wheel.

Such as a 302 4v in a Maverick or 350/255 Chevy in a 57 Corvette.
Would limit small block for small block.
Big Block if already came with a big block

Think this idea would drive a few more combinations.

What do you think?

D

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Really...

Crate Motor Pure Stock?

What is pure about a crate motor, the intake?

By definition Pure Stock is Black and White...not grey.

Pure Stock is Pure Stock,
Crate Motor is Crate Motor,
and Traditional is Traditional,
each has their defined set of rules.

Remember the Camshaft debacle from earlier this year?

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I'm all for new ideas, but I am a little confused on this one Dan.

From the way you describe it, it almost sounds exactly like what the Crate Motor class is right now.

i.e....any allowed crate engine in any allowed vehicle in the classification guide.

What would be different with this new proposed class ?


I personally have expressed my desire to see the Stock GT class engine rule change to allow any Stock engine allowed into any Stock vehicle in the Classification guide. ( within corporate boundaries of course)
i.e. '92 Mustang 5.0 into a '68 Mustang.

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Been tried and was shot down many years ago.

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Ok... Decent response..
\When used Crate Motors...might not been the right word.

I see combinations 2v that coulda-shoulda had a 4V.
Figure a stock 4v manifold could be easily bolted on.
Replacing the 2v and move up a few classes.

Maybe Crate Motor was not the best way to start the conversation.

My intent was to consider doable combinations, or upgrade.
Still would have to meet all the other Pure Stock rules.

The advantage you already have existing engine data.
Plus how it would perform.
Would not want to see BB put into a car that came with a SB.

For example always thought Ford lost an opportunity to put a 4v on the Mavericks and Mustang II's.

Think it would be interesting installing a Corvette Triple or Dual Carb on a 350/255 using a stock PS cam.

A 409/425 in a 1969 Chevy...!!
Has to meet Pure Stock cam rules.

It would make things look interesting to the public who like to look at our rides.

Dan

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Stock has already been watered down too much.

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Dan, The IHRA class Stock GT is similar to what you are suggesting. Very cool class but IHRA only. We ran a Ford Maverick in Crate Motor and had great times doing it. However my location (Michigan) does not work well with IHRA.
Keep up the ideas to get more cars racing instead of sitting in garages. Louis Jeffery:)

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I believe Al is right. Correct me if i am wrong.

You can run any GM crate motor in any GM car. or any Ford motor in any Ford car and Dodge with Dodge.

Right or not right???

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Dan,

I like the idea. Sounds a little like the old Formula Stock classes of AHRA/IHRA some 35-40 years ago. You could put different combinations of engines or transmissions in cars that never came with them.

I remember Bunker Hill here in Indiana had a series of classes that allowed you to change intakes and carburetors on stock engines. This was in the early 70's. Guys got carried away with cam changes and such. Was hard to police.

Like the proposal for a watered down version of the old Super Modified class that was bandied about here last year. It would have to be done at a local level. NHRA isn't going to add more classes. IHRA already has a bunch.

Robert Swartz

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You can't run old cars in stock gt. I think 82 and newer body. Rule didn't get changed when they did away with year rule in super stock.

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1980-newer cars; 1979-older engines in IHRA Stock GT. That was the original intent of NHRA SS/GT, which has since changed to any year car and engine.

A rule change like that for IHRA Stk/GT would likely bring in a lot of new F/X motors into it. Be careful what you wish for.

No to any new classes in Stock is my vote.

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And what exactly would be STOCK about that? Since the closest IHRA track to me is over 10 hours away, I have never ran any IHRA races, so I personally don`t care, but when I look at my Nitro Joe stats, it seems to me that IHRA already has far too many classes in their interpetation of Stock Eliminator, and far too few racers that run in Stock as it is. I can`t see ever further watering down of the class being a good thng.

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Rory,

Simply stated I liked the idea. It won't happen. I also agree, there are too many classes in Stock. Formula Stock was a concept of 40+ years back. In this age of $250K stockers, we need something to put new blood into this sport.

Bob

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Since the non-VIN F/X cars didn't show up until 2008, how about this:

Any 2007 and older Stock engine into any year vehicle in the classification guide.

That way none of the new F/X CNC ported cylinder heads, huge throttle bodies, and big roller cam combos are allowed.

I know IHRA will probably never do it, but it is fun thinking of the possible combos. :D

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Honestly who in IHRA can still check a pure stocker camshaft?

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Do the IHRA Crate specs include duration and overlap?
You would need them for something like this.

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Some are common such as ZZ3 cam

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Me but I retired about 12-13 plus years ago.....LOL. I taught Hank Blakenship but he passed away. I think your dad used to do it??? Jim Woods has emailed me a few times to get together for a teaching session but he never followed up on it. Its not hard to do but its a giant pain in the butt. Especially on newer cars. I look for classes that need this done to go away soon. It seems that no one cares to do the job anymore. To time consuming and to much work. NHRA stopped in 1986.
LIMITING VALVE SPRING PRESSURES WOULD PUT A LIMIT ON HOW WILD DURATION AND OVER LAP COULD GET AND STOP THE CRAZY EXPENSIVE LIFTER BS.......EASY TO CHECK BUT I DOUBT IT WILL HAPPEN. Its all ancient history.

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Where did the "Pure" go?

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The same place "Stock" went.

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The lack of participation has nothing to do with the lack of available and attractive combinations.

Adding even more classes, and another level of difficulty in factoring will not help participation.

Let's leave the economy and expense out of it to for the purposes of this discussion, at least for now.

It is a lack of ambition, attitude, competitiveness, and drive.

Explain any Stock Eliminator class, in either sanctioning body, to most other "racers", who don't know the rules, and watch the look of shock, dismay, and disbelief. Their eyes will glaze over in about 30 seconds. Most of them will then ask you why you are stupid enough to work that hard and spend that much, to go two seconds slower than they do.

For the most part, the vast majority of "racers" today want to be able to buy all the speed they want, without a great degree of difficulty, bolt it together, and go.

That applies especially to the vast majority of the younger crowd.

If they can't buy bigger heads, more cam, more nitrous, or more supercharger, they have no desire to race.

Assemble your Stock Eliminator engine in full and plain view of most of them. The pieces are so boring to them they'll ignore it all after a minute or two, and they won't understand what they see.

The only things that will interest them in a Super Stock engine are the epoxy and welding in the ported heads, and the high end valvetrain.

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"you nailed it !"

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I think Alan nailed the mindset of the majority of current drag racer, especially younger ones. If they actually were to build an engine, (instead of buying a turnkey crate motor), chances are it would have a low buck stroker kit and aftermarket heads, and often a "power adder". Look in any ND, ReherMorrison, Schafiroff, or several other big name engine shops can sell you an all aftermarket 700-800 HP engine for less than a typical good Stocker engine. 1000 HP for less than a S/S engine.
Also, it seems that the young guys in our area are not really into actual eliminataion racing. They would much rather pay less entry, get more runs, by entering the "Street Legal" races. When a few have ventured into a weekly ET bracket race, they usually lose 1rst round, and bitch that they don`t get to run anymore that day. And forget about playing with jetting or cam timing, if it won`t net them at least 1/2 second, they couldn`t be bothered. Much easier to add a blue bottle in the truck.

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It is all about the instant gratification desire of the new generation. Nobody wants to hear about working harder on your car. If you cannot write a check, stay on the porch. They want to go fast today, not spending a season flogging a combination.

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Struck a chord!
Stocked morphed like any class does in all sanction racing even illegal racing.

PureStockRacing.com has two classes.
Pure Stock and other Stock everything better look like Pure Stock but engine rules are very liberal.

The Pure Stock limited Spring Pressure to 130lbs. Cam lift must check on within 1% at .050 and max lift within 2% of original specs and the vacuum at idle must be 16 inches of vacuum.

Btw I am not advocating this!

What I would like to see is to invite PureStockDrags to race IHRA events using their rules. Put them into one of the IHRA Pure Stock classes. Like what was done are the Class Nationals. If they are not competitive change a few rules as the years go by.

They have to make a choice. Use IHRA Rules or PSD rules. Fall under same class that IHRA has for other PSers.

Yeah there would be dual set of rules. But they expressed desire to run IHRA races at the Class Nationals.