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Finally

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Hurray!!! Hey NHRA, now how about going after some FFFord and Chevy intakes!

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I have two. The new head face angle rule probably will make other parts illegal too! I guess I need to get a car built before everything is made illegal. No wonder most people think I'm nuts for wanting to run Stock or SS.

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james I got a super stocker ill sell you way cheaper than you can build one

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It’s a deal too...

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What's all the fuss about? This intake was with nothing in ET. So im told. LOL

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About time, i was in a heads up race and on a second under pass and lifted after seeing just tail lights of the 65 Valiant I looked at their car's incrementals and it was on a 1.30 under pass




NHRA Tech Department makes changes to the engine blue print specifications
Dec. 4, 2019



The NHRA Technical Department recently made changes to the blueprint specifications.



This change is in regards to the use of the Mopar Performance 2836139 (LD-4B) intake manifold for the 1965 thru 1967 Mopar Stock engines. On December 4th, 2019 the NHRA Tech Dept. deleted this part from the Blueprint specs. This was done following extensive research and review of our files from the manufacturer. This part was not an OEM part and was a dealer replacement. Per the NHRA rule book equipment other than factory installed is prohibited. On January 1st, 2020 this part will no longer be permitted.

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It is amazing the celebrating that goes on here against the Mopar contigent. What is there maybe 3 or 4 cars that had that manifold? Lots of bogus Chebies and Phords. The car I am familiar with that had the LD340 manifold went just a quick without it at INDY.

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It is amazing the celebrating that goes on here against the Mopar contigent. What is there maybe 3 or 4 cars that had that manifold? Lots of bogus Chebies and Phords. The car I am familiar with that had the LD340 manifold went just a quick without it at INDY. Just like happened with the AMC stuff how many racers are you going to lose. I remember when the phords got bigger cams and manifolds and carbs where was the protest then? 327 intakes on 283 chebies?

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Cry baby’s

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If it doesn’t make a difference then this should not be a problem right , so move on and put the correct one on and show everyone.

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We tried it once in testing.....made no difference on my 340 and I
took it off and sold it!

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[QUOTE=Greg Marshall;603422]About time, i was in a heads up race and on a second under pass and lifted after seeing just tail lights of the 65 Valiant I looked at their car's incrementals and it was on a 1.30 under pass


Why Greg did you just admit you were watching my rear end? The tail lights are one of the best features on that car. While I am extremely flattered that you thought my Valiant was on a 1.30 under pass, I hate to admit it, but it probably wouldn’t have gone any faster than 1.28 under. ��

Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon!

Sincerely,
Said 65 Valiant Driver

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Soooooooooo, please answer me one question. If you went just as quick at Indy with the iron intake then why go through all of the trouble and B.S. to get the LD340 approved? I can only think of one reason and that is that it's easier and cheaper to modify an aluminum intake than an iron one.
I sure do hope that NHRA Techs start weighing intakes this season!

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[QUOTE=Dr. AngieB;603520][QUOTE=Greg Marshall....

Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon!

Sincerely,
Said 65 Valiant Driver[/QUOTE]

Angie, there is no doubt that you and your Dad built an amazing car, making a combination work where most others have failed. Look forward to you printing some winning tickets in the great Northwest!

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[QUOTE=Dr. AngieB;603520]Young Lady (I can call you that, I have a daughter your age), I don't think that I would ever be accused of NOT working hard and NOT researching my combos and I wouldn't think the same of you and your Dad either. But hard work and research have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that someone manipulated factory data and specs and flat-out lied to get an aluminum intake approved for a combo that never had one. Even the HP D-Dart never had one. It used the iron intake modified to take a holley carb.
It seems to me that the "Mopar" guys think that I only pick on them and nothing could be further from the truth. There's plenty of blame to go around but the NHRA has to find the stomach to start "fixing" all of these blatant "mistakes".
FFFord never built a "Police Interceptor" 390 or 352. They modified a couple of Comets to pace the Indy 500 because the base car wasn't fast enough.
Chevy never put a 327/300 intake on a 283. That was a typo in NHRA's own tech specs. and I can't say whether it was intentional or not. But you can't even bolt a 4GC to it without using AFB and 4GC gaskets to keep it from leaking.
Mopar never put aluminum heads on anything but a HEMI (and a VERY few slant 6s). Somebody in the "corporation" just grabbed a handful of Edelbrock's money to slide them into the guide.
And HEMI's! I would love to see just what carb and intake really came on a 4V HEMI! Not to mention that they only came in hardtops with a flat hood.
427 FFFords aren't any better either.
And don't get me going on 396/375 Chevys!

The NHRA Tech Dept. is going to need more than a "new Sheriff in town". It's going to have to call out the National Guard!

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Go ahead and get going on the 396/375. NHRA=ACAT (All Chevy All the Time).

Aluminum heads are available for almost any motor combination. Why not the mopar combination?

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Billy~

I suppose I’m going to have to take volunteers on who wants to come help me lift that massive heavy intake to get it on the car... lol Billy, you are more than welcome to make the trip to the Pacific Northwest to help! I would never accuse you of not working hard and that comment had nothing to do with you. All I am saying is that there are many things in the NHRA guidelines that benefit one combo over another. You can’t blame the racer for taking advantage that benefit. Right or wrong isn’t that part of why we choose the combos that we do to race?

I can’t wait for the season to start to put this topic to rest. I’ve kept silent on this topic for years and this is all I’ll be saying on it as it is no longer an issue. I am not one to get offended, however I am extremely offended when someone negates all the hard work, time, and money I’ve put into my car to make it competitive and chalks it up to an aluminum intake. I will be doing everything I can within the rules given to me to make sure that my car is where I want it to be. If other racers can’t handle losing a heads up race to another then I would suggest they do the same.

Looks like the diet starts Monday!

Sincerely,
Heavy 65 Valiant Driver

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Angela my dear, I wouldn't doubt that you are more than capable of doing what ever you would have to do to your car on your own but if I am in the neighborhood and you DO need help, please don't be afraid to ask.
I didn't think that you were accusing me of not working on my stuff. I was just trying to make a point that your Dad and I go about our projects in the same way and with the same effort.
You're absolutely right about the Guide benefiting one combo over another but if there is something blatantly wrong with a combo, should it not be fixed? I guess that will have to be left up to the individual Racer's conscience. But, then again this IS the 21ST Century. If everybody's cheating then it's legal, right?
I wish for you all of the luck in the world in your upcoming season!

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THAT is not true!
Come back and talk to me when ANY combo can use an aluminum head and I might see things a little differently.

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Billy... I hope some time in the future we have the opportunity to sit and have a conversation about the old school Stock and Super Stock ways! I do miss those days as I have fond memories of many racers practically in tears after going .99 under. It definitely isn't the Stock/Super Stock I grew up with!

Sincerely,
Nostalgic 65 Valiant Driver :)

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I've seen racers practically in tears after going 1.00 under very recently.

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5 OEM head #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

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325 hp
350 hp
375 hp

Different castings?

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Ford did build a 390 PI engine starting in 1963 I bought one it was equipped with the PI suspension package 5 leaf rear springs, big front sway bar, had shocks, and 11by 3 front brakes, and 11 by 21/2 rear brakes. Engine was 330 hp. It came with solid lifters, cast iron intake with a 4100 Autolite 4v and the shorty cast iron 406 exhaust manifolds. It was available in 63 and 64 may have been available in late 62 won't say for sure with out doing some digging. Mine had a T-85 3 speed overdrive but you could get a T-10 4 speed.


[QUOTE=Billy Nees;603527]

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1966/67 396/375

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Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare?
I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this one!

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[QUOTE=Ralph A Powell;603543]Ford did build a 390 PI engine starting in 1963 I bought one it was equipped with the PI suspension package 5 leaf rear springs, big front sway bar, had shocks, and 11by 3 front brakes, and 11 by 21/2 rear brakes. Engine was 330 hp. It came with solid lifters, cast iron intake with a 4100 Autolite 4v and the shorty cast iron 406 exhaust manifolds. It was available in 63 and 64 may have been available in late 62 won't say for sure with out doing some digging. Mine had a T-85 3 speed overdrive but you could get a T-10 4 speed.



don't forget a dual point as well

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[QUOTE=427FE;603547]Mine came with single point vacuum adv.
406 cam dual point dist 427 valve springs and aluminum low rise intake with 715 Holley and 4.71 gear and the Mopar 426 street engine cars and early GTO's didn't stand a chance.

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[QUOTE=Billy Nees;603545]Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare?
I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this

Edelbrock also has approved aluminum heads for AMC, Ford, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet replacing iron heads...some are S/S only. There were also plenty of original Chevrolet heads made...aluminium and iron...Chevrolet car sales out paced Chrysler and other manufacturers most every year. You couldn't swing a dead cat around without hitting a big block Camero/Chevelle 40-50 yrs ago.

If the Chryslers shouldn't be allowed to replace iron heads with aluminum than no one else should either. I do not know why NHRA factors as they do. You need to take it up with them.

Wish they made a suitable aluminum replacement for the max wedge!

I need to get back to work in the shop...need the money to pay for the 3 sets aluminum heads I bought for my 65 Coronet 2dr post single 4 barrel hemi project.

Wishing you a great Christmas Billy!

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This question is directed at Billy Nees BUT ....I invite anyone to chime in. Billy, I feel as though I have just emerged from an episode of that 60’s TV series Time Tunnel. At one point did Stock Eliminator racers start asking for PARTS that never came on the car from the factory ?...At what point did they decide this practice was acceptable ??

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M.J., You could probably answer that question as easily as I could. But I CAN say that the problem has gotten bigger as NHRA's Tech presence has gotten smaller. Go figure.

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No dog in any fight but didn't NHRA say a year ago that this intake was going to fazed out at the end of this year? Merry Christmas and happy Holidays to all Tom

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The LD-340 is the manifold your thinking of for the AVS 340 it was approved one year and taken away the next year(approved for 2018 taken away 2019) This manifold now in question was in play for over 15 years.

This aftermarket parts is as bad as politics these days. Aluminum heads for the Mopars are junk and take plenty of funds to make better than iron ones. I will take the Dart heads they approved for every small block Chevy any day. Let me guess the supply of 255/300 hp 350 heads or 250/275/300/325/350 hp 327 heads ran short. I dont see many of us able to throw rocks as we all seem to live in the same glass house.

We need to leave out slow off the wall stuff out of this Billy as they aren’t making aftermarket stuff for 273 2 Barrels and 301 Pontiacs. I get there is no interest in helping these engines and I have no complaint I picked the combination. There were always bad combinations and ones you were going to be on your own to figure out.

I can say I tabled my 273 4 barrel project which was 95% done. I can say I will go after it with both barrels now with a stick and automatic and we will see how much bitching can really go on.

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As Paul said, this intake has been on the accepted list for over 15 years. ...I can’t help but wonder if the GRINCH pulls the bogus 459 Chevy intake from the 283’s by XMAS ????

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You're absolutely right Paul. We have one faction of Constitutional Lawyers (Racetrack Lawyers) putting their own spin on just what the original framers of the Constitution (Rulebook) meant when they wrote it (what is the definition of is?). We have the rest of the unwashed minions just assuming that the Framers wrote the laws (rules) to be read as written.

Yes, we DO all live in the same "glass house" but some of us are allotted much better "junk" than others and some of THEM are even allowed to cover up! Hey throw all of the "rocks" that you want. When ya don't have a whole lot of "junk" to show off, ya don't have a lot of "junk" to "hide".

Why should "we" (you and I? NHRA?) leave out the "slow off the wall stuff"? Does the "slow off the wall stuff" race using a different Rulebook? Are you actually admitting that certain Racers run using different rules than others? If/when the indexes get changed, is the "slow off the wall stuff" going to get hit with the same 3 or 5 tenths even though it hasn't been given the same enhancements?

Well, on this we can agree.

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Let's face it, the "slow off the wall" combinations are called "dime rockets" for a reason. The "enhancement" they have is very soft HP factors from NHRA. These combinations are typically far less popular and have not had dozens of racers pushing the limits for decades causing the NHRA HP rating to be well established. NHRA's rule interpretations have evolved over many years and racers have spent huge amounts of money to take advantage of these interpretations. Nobody is going to turn back time to 1985 for you. So if your unhappy with your HP factor or number of "enhancements" build a different combination that's more lucrative to you.

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It must be some deep state Mopar person living to close to California. Lucky for NHRA the whistle blower told a friend to have his wife call her Mother to report it.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you post with a real name.

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There's a whole lot of truth right there and you don't even know it.