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67ss 02-08-2009 07:34 PM

Leaving off a button in Stock
 
First of all, if I am not mistaken I thought it was legal to leave off a button and 2 step in stock, but not a transbrake. Maybe this is just an NHRA rule and not legal in IHRA. At any rate, with some bracket tracks going No Box instead of footrbake and not thinking my car would be suited to a transbrake leave I was thinking about this. If this is something anyone has played with how do you mount the button. I have heard of them being on the footbrake, but can you use just any old button to do it this way since you will be applying quite a bit of pressure to the butto? Or, is it just as easy to let go of the button with your finger and the footbrake at the same time? How much RT can be gained by leaving off a button and a low side pill vs. off just the footbrake?

Mark Yacavone 02-08-2009 08:20 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
You can't leave off of a button in Stock, unless it's on the brake pedal, as of last year.

Like so:http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...c/100_2226.jpg


The switch on the shifter is for low gear only activation of the two step.

Philip Saran 02-08-2009 08:22 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
My understanding is for Stock Eliminator you can have a 2 step,
but the button can only be mounted on the brake pedal and it
is activated by your foot. Nothing that your hand could control.

67ss 02-08-2009 08:22 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Any special type of button you use for a brake pedal application? Can you say a button on the pedal is helpful with your RT vs. just leaving off the footbrake?

Never though about a micro on the shifter to only activate the low side in first gear only. Good idea.

Robert Swartz 02-09-2009 04:35 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 104833)
You can't leave off of a button in Stock, unless it's on the brake pedal, as of last year.

Like so:http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...c/100_2226.jpg


The switch on the shifter is for low gear only activation of the two step.

Mark,

I'm pleading to please accept my ignorance here. I'm slowly trying to reacquaint myself after all these years, I'm not familar with a 2 step (or a 3 step for that matter).

Is the switch on the brake pedal used simply as a rev limiter, limiting the amount of rpm's that you stall the converter? Also, is the switch on your shifter wired in conjunction with the roll control? This allowing you to control the peak rpm during your burnout.

Robert Swartz

Donnie Moore Jr. 02-09-2009 05:47 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ss (Post 104824)
First of all, if I am not mistaken I thought it was legal to leave off a button and 2 step in stock, but not a transbrake. Maybe this is just an NHRA rule and not legal in IHRA. At any rate, with some bracket tracks going No Box instead of footrbake and not thinking my car would be suited to a transbrake leave I was thinking about this. If this is something anyone has played with how do you mount the button. I have heard of them being on the foot brake, but can you use just any old button to do it this way since you will be applying quite a bit of pressure to the butto? Or, is it just as easy to let go of the button with your finger and the footbrake at the same time? How much RT can be gained by leaving off a button and a low side pill vs. off just the footbrake?

U need to check with the track you are running at because I have had problems in the past trying to do that "no box" means no electronics to leave starting line including 2steps... just letting you in on past experinence

Mark Yacavone 02-09-2009 06:31 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz (Post 104946)
Mark,

I'm pleading to please accept my ignorance here. I'm slowly trying to reacquaint myself after all these years, I'm not familar with a 2 step (or a 3 step for that matter).

Is the switch on the brake pedal used simply as a rev limiter, limiting the amount of rpm's that you stall the converter? Also, is the switch on your shifter wired in conjunction with the roll control? This allowing you to control the peak rpm during your burnout.

Robert Swartz

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../100_1965s.jpg

Robert, The 3 step is commonly used as such:
Module 1, used to limit starting line RPM.Usually an adjustable module
Module 2 , used for high side over- rev protection
Module 3 , used to limit burnout RPM, commonly hooked to the line loc
(Not used in car in picture.)

The switch on shifter is used to complete the 12V feed from the brake pedal button to the 3 step box for Module 1, in low gear only. That way, it won't activate when braking at the finish line.

rutledge 02-09-2009 06:58 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Is there any R/T difference leaving off of a rev limiter versus just footbraking?

Jacob

67ss 02-09-2009 07:07 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie Moore Jr. (Post 104954)
U need to check with the track you are running at because I have had problems in the past trying to do that "no box" means no electronics to leave starting line including 2steps... just letting you in on past experinence

But if it is a No Box track that allows transbrakes they should allow the 2 step as well correct?

Robert Swartz 02-09-2009 09:09 PM

Re: Leaving off a button in Stock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 104965)
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../100_1965s.jpg

Robert, The 3 step is commonly used as such:
Module 1, used to limit starting line RPM.Usually an adjustable module
Module 2 , used for high side over- rev protection
Module 3 , used to limit burnout RPM, commonly hooked to the line loc
(Not used in car in picture.)

The switch on shifter is used to complete the 12V feed from the brake pedal button to the 3 step box for Module 1, in low gear only. That way, it won't activate when braking at the finish line.

Mark, thank you. I now better understand how a 3 step functions.


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