First of all, Leroy I'm surprised that you'd be taking the views of Hawk Bros & Jeff who opposed my mindset, everyone who races a non-ground effects car should care. I rewatched those races yesterday, and the extension of Dennis's front end was only half the distance forward of the most forward extension of his front end, compared to Mike's (in Super Gas). Furthermore, I don't know what race Hawk Bro's was watching, but if the race would've been tire to tire, then Dennis's tire was clearly ahead of Mike's. As for the Super Stock final, how could you (Jeff and Hawk Bro's, not see that Brad's front end of his Cavalier touched the end of the stripe as Justin's frontal area was just beyond the sensor)??? Brad may have accepted the outcome (and Dennis said "OUCH"!), but camera's don't lie, and both his frontal nose and his tires crossed the finish line ahead of Justins car (unfortunately for Brad, his front end wasn't as low as Justin's which is the only reason he didn't trip the lights first)!!! Justin nose dove his front end right at the stripe to make his lowest area of the front end appear to be slightly lower than the lowest edge of his wheel, while Brads lowest edge of his front end was nearly equal to the center point of his front wheel...the laws of physics, science, and math played out here crystal clearly, and I'm no wiz at any of them, but I sure know enough to have seen the light of day in both of those races!!! I wasn't going to get technical with Jeff and Hawk Bro's, but now that you chimed in with them Leroy, I felt I needed to...
Jeff, you commented about my car having ground effects that could trip the finish line, but even under the hardest braking I could possibly do, my front end wouldn't dive below the lowest part of the wheel like Justins car did...by the way Jeff, now that M/T has discontinued making the 20" slicks I've been running for the last 15yrs, my front end will raise 2" at a minimum due to having to now run taller tires to race anything that will bite the track good, so there goes my so-called ground effects advantage??? Even more so, it was visually obvious the disparity between the vehicles (mostly between Mike's Super Gasser & Dennis's, but clear enough where Brad & Justins cars were concerned)...just studying the front ends of the cars as they were going up hill after the race clearly showed how much lower the front end was on both Justin's and Mike's cars as opposed to Brad's and Dennis's...besides Brad's frontal area was more than .005 ahead of Justin's frontal area (given how fast thousandts of a second spin). On the other hand, the halfway point of Justins car was close enough to the lower part of the front tire (of Brad's car), that tripped the finish line...thus making a .005 difference logically possible. Jeff, you brought up some good points, but so did I, and the shots at the finish line proved all of mine!!!
The visual facts are obvious, if the sensors would've been the same height as the staging beams were, then Dennis and Brad would've won their finals because their tires were clearly ahead of Mike's and Justin's. Heck Mike even admitted that the only reason he crossed the line first was because of his front end, so what can you guys say about that??? Given the vast diversity in racing vehicles, only exact types of such would be similar up front, but if tires determine the start & end of a race, then all we'd have to do is look at the footage of the race to show who should've won the respective races. Ground effects cars should trip the finish line the same as non-ground effects cars/trucks...with the tire! What's fair is fair, and that wasn't fair!!!
Ohh, and by the way Leroy, unless I'm mistaken the last time I checked (per someone else who commented in this thread), stripe takers aren't legal in Stock or Super Stock, so I'm glad you told Junior that your car was a bracket car. One more thing, Justin's brother even spoke about how he lost a race the same way...as the saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right", and I don't care how long ground effects cars have been involved in racing (mine included), tires start a race, tires (AND ONLY) tires should finish it! hanks Junior, and all who saw the reality of those races, and congratulations to Justin & Mike for being able to work it to get the victories!
As for you Brad & Dennis (plus Dan Fletcher), your days will come again, and your just due's will become all three of you!!!
I'm done with this (until it happens again & I see it), but it was great debating you Leroy, Jeff, and Hawk Bro's racing...