Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!!

[art leong]

If NHRA goes though with the proposed changes in the afhs. Why not do away with the breakout? It would level the faster cars real quick.
Then at least the guys that can go fast are not as punished.
This might sound crazy but think about it a moment. If you went 1.50 under to win a race it would come with a 9.25 % hp, or .50 on the index. It wouldn't take long till the underated cars got adjusted. It would be like running class the whole race. You get there first you win.

[Ed Fernandez]

Are you talking about heads up runs or all elimination runs?

[Ed Wright]

No break out in heads ups now, Ed. I would be OK with it, buy don't think many would go for it.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Are you talking about heads up runs or all elimination runs?

I'm talking about all runs. With an afhs like the one proposed it should correct the out of line cars pretty quick.
And down the road you would have cars running about 1.20 or so under.
Good competition and easy to explain. you get there first you win. Go to fast your combo gets hit.

[art leong]

The idea of go fast racing has always been taken down because of the big dollar guys.
Now the big dollar guys could not dominate for long. If a car can go 2 seconds under and you hit it .015 it still goes 1.85 under but with the proposed ahfs it would get whacked 9 tenths or 18% hp. As long as the car checks legal.
It could work

[Ed Fernandez]

Artie that's ridiculous for eliminations.Here's why
I qualify at say .65 under.I run an A car that qualifies 1.10 under.We dial and run to the end.I go .01 under and he goes .44 under.You're saying he gets the win light?That's what
it seems like your saying,that they'll be no run outs in eliminations Correct me if I'm wrong.In raceday eliminations,on a non heads up run who's going to be stupid enough to go 1.50 under?
Rereading your posts are you saying we don't dial in,we run off indexes?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Artie that's ridiculous for eliminations.Here's why
I qualify at say .65 under.I run an A car that qualifies 1.10 under.We dial and run to the end.I go .01 under and he goes .44 under.You're saying he gets the win light?That's what
it seems like your saying,that they'll be no run outs in eliminations Correct me if I'm wrong.In raceday eliminations,on a non heads up run who's going to be stupid enough to go 1.50 under?
Rereading your posts are you saying we don't dial in,we run off indexes?

Yes Eddie you run off the index no dialing. First car there wins. And while I'll agree with you if you are a 6 tenths under car a car isn't going to go 1.50 under against you.
But what about when 2 cars that can go 1.50 under run each other. The loser goes home, and they both get an afhs hit of 9.25% or .45 Do you think they will be able to run 1.50 under again? Now they should be 1.05 under.
Couple this with one class (natural only).
And I think this might work. It would sure get rid of the sandbaggers quick.
And at Indy go back to Class winners and quickest losers.

[novassdude]

You would get rid of sandbaggers and every car that cant run more than .85 under as they would have no reason to show up.
The really big bucks guys would just switch to the next under factored combo to stay on top after the current one gets hit.

I like the idea of these as a extra race like they did at the class nationals.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by art leong

Yes Eddie you run off the index no dialing. First car there wins. And while I'll agree with you if you are a 6 tenths under car a car isn't going to go 1.50 under against you.
But what about when 2 cars that can go 1.50 under run each other. The loser goes home, and they both get an afhs hit of 9.25% or .45 Do you think they will be able to run 1.50 under again? Now they should be 1.05 under.
Couple this with one class (natural only).
And I think this might work. It would sure get rid of the sandbaggers quick.
And at Indy go back to Class winners and quickest losers.

Well Art,if they go back to that system It's been nice racing Stock for the last 11 years.
Car counts will drop in my estimation by more than 50%.
I neither have the combination nor the money to run with these guys.
The solution to the skewed hp factors and the obscure older combos that are grossly underrated is for NHRA to take the run history they have and just hand out HP where it's warrented.Drag racing welfare,probably so,but at least it would make for some closer racing.Much better than the crap that's going on now with both the old/new out of whack factors and "selective" rules interpretation through out the divisions.
For those who think I have no dog in this fight,the record was just set in my class (T/SA)
at 13.15.It was at 13.29.The fastest I've ever gone was 13.44 inkiller weather at Atco.
I have no problem what so ever with the owners of these cars.I consider them both friends.I do have a problem with the rules structure that allows cars to bomb class indexs
by this much.
There are plenty examples of this.Mostly in the upper classes by virtue of the fact that a lot of people want to go fast.
So if you want to return to the days of winners being the guys with the deepest pockets,suit yourself.It's not my cup of tea.

[Hagen Gary]

I love this idea. In fact, I'm in the stands at every race I attend because I can't afford to race that class. Its called Competition eliminator. Strap a $80,000 motor in that thing and go run Super Modified if you like this idea. As stated before, I can't handle that kind of cash. Change it for One year only, then maybe we are talking. But instead of trying to change the class rules because somebody purchased some bogus factors, maybe we should try not to let this bogus crap get into the class guides in the first place. I suggest we focus our efforts there.