Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!!

[art leong]

If NHRA goes though with the proposed changes in the afhs. Why not do away with the breakout? It would level the faster cars real quick.
Then at least the guys that can go fast are not as punished.
This might sound crazy but think about it a moment. If you went 1.50 under to win a race it would come with a 9.25 % hp, or .50 on the index. It wouldn't take long till the underated cars got adjusted. It would be like running class the whole race. You get there first you win.

[Ed Fernandez]

Are you talking about heads up runs or all elimination runs?

[Ed Wright]

No break out in heads ups now, Ed. I would be OK with it, buy don't think many would go for it.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Are you talking about heads up runs or all elimination runs?

I'm talking about all runs. With an afhs like the one proposed it should correct the out of line cars pretty quick.
And down the road you would have cars running about 1.20 or so under.
Good competition and easy to explain. you get there first you win. Go to fast your combo gets hit.

[art leong]

The idea of go fast racing has always been taken down because of the big dollar guys.
Now the big dollar guys could not dominate for long. If a car can go 2 seconds under and you hit it .015 it still goes 1.85 under but with the proposed ahfs it would get whacked 9 tenths or 18% hp. As long as the car checks legal.
It could work

[Ed Fernandez]

Artie that's ridiculous for eliminations.Here's why
I qualify at say .65 under.I run an A car that qualifies 1.10 under.We dial and run to the end.I go .01 under and he goes .44 under.You're saying he gets the win light?That's what
it seems like your saying,that they'll be no run outs in eliminations Correct me if I'm wrong.In raceday eliminations,on a non heads up run who's going to be stupid enough to go 1.50 under?
Rereading your posts are you saying we don't dial in,we run off indexes?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Artie that's ridiculous for eliminations.Here's why
I qualify at say .65 under.I run an A car that qualifies 1.10 under.We dial and run to the end.I go .01 under and he goes .44 under.You're saying he gets the win light?That's what
it seems like your saying,that they'll be no run outs in eliminations Correct me if I'm wrong.In raceday eliminations,on a non heads up run who's going to be stupid enough to go 1.50 under?
Rereading your posts are you saying we don't dial in,we run off indexes?

Yes Eddie you run off the index no dialing. First car there wins. And while I'll agree with you if you are a 6 tenths under car a car isn't going to go 1.50 under against you.
But what about when 2 cars that can go 1.50 under run each other. The loser goes home, and they both get an afhs hit of 9.25% or .45 Do you think they will be able to run 1.50 under again? Now they should be 1.05 under.
Couple this with one class (natural only).
And I think this might work. It would sure get rid of the sandbaggers quick.
And at Indy go back to Class winners and quickest losers.

[GRAPE]

Hey Artie
I remember NHRA tried this in 1975. Three didget index no run out.
C/S was 4.27 C/SA was 4.46 the C/SA would get a .19 head start with no run out.
It lasted only one year.
Terry Welsh

[Billy Nees]

Art, It'll never fly! NHRA tried it and almost killed Stock.
Now if you want to try something different (and I don't, I'm just talking here) keep the index system as it is for a reference point. Each race starts out with the indexes as we know them, they don't change from race to race. After qualifing, the fastest run in a given class becomes the "index" for that race. In eliminations, a racer can dial up to 3 tenths SLOWER than the "index" or up to 1 tenth FASTER than the "index". Example, the SS/AH index is a 9.30, the fastest SS/AH car in qualifing goes an 8.50. The "index" for this race becomes an 8.50. All SS/AH racers at this race must dial between an 8.40 and an 8.80. All heads-up runs are still flat out. At the end of the day the "index" reverts back to the index. There would still have to be some kind of an AHFS in play or maybe a panel of racers and techs to factor and defactor out of line combos but maybe the triggers could be dialed back.
There ya go, the fast guys can "wag their d**ks" and the not so fast guys have to "work on their stuff" to stay within 3 tenths of the fast guys. Problem solved, now I'm gonna work on world peace.

[Michael Beard]

Billy, "Ya gotta understand somethin'. The world doesn't wanna to be saved." - Billy Nees