IHRA FWD Weight Breaks

Mark Yacavone · 07-14-2008, 03:53 PM

Could someone post them?
I'm researching this ".9 under street car."
Thanks

Tim Kish · 07-14-2008, 04:58 PM

from my 2008 IHRA CD

AF - 13.00-15.99
BF - 16.00-16.99
CF - 17.00-17.99
DF - 18.00-18.99
EF - 19.00-19.99
FF - 20.00-23.49
GF - 23.50-27.49
HF - 27.50 and up

Jim Wahl · 07-14-2008, 05:20 PM

What do ya know! It's an "F" car not an "H" ! Should have run on a 16.30 index. It was really 1.40 OVER not .90 under. Oooops! Jim

Mark Yacavone · 07-14-2008, 10:54 PM

Thanks, guys

Okay,let's see. If it's a natural 20# car,that's 155 (hp) x 20= 3100 + 170= 3270#

To run H, which it can't (I assume you can drop only one class in IHRA) it would be:
155 x 27.5 = 4266 + 170= 4436

Assuming as a street would be considerably over the shipping weight,he still would have to add 6 to 8 hundred lbs. to get to the legal H weight which he can't run anyway.

Don't they weigh cars at an IHRA points meet ? Or did he make up a weight figure, as well as a class?

This guy was qualified under the index ,meaning he could have taken someone out that was in the World points chase. Not funny at all.

Anyway ,my point is that you can't take a FWD car off the street and run .5 under to win class at Indy.
You guys who don't want to apologize here, you can PM me .

Bud Lefevre · 07-15-2008, 12:30 PM

I wasn't there and haven't seen any photo,s , but Bill I thoght was a Mopar guy. Could it have been a Lebaron and not a Lesabre ?

10 1145 HF/SA Wild Bill Collett, Grafton WV, '88 LeSabre 17.700 18.60 -0.900

Aaron Allison · 07-15-2008, 12:48 PM

I was there and it was a Buick. I remember because I made the comment to a friend that there is no way that he will be able to run the index in the extremely poor weather conditions that we had at pittsburgh over the weekend.

Tim Kish · 07-15-2008, 01:07 PM

88 Chrysler LeBaron GTS (2.5 non-turbo) would be a natural GF - could run HF. (115HP -> 3332lb in HF/SA). Might be possible to run 17.70 (TCI calculator estimates 17.76 based on HP and weight) but not just pulling it off the lot - it would need some work.

EDIT - since Aaron confirmed it was a Buick while I was typing the above analogy is out the window.

Harry 6674 · 07-15-2008, 01:24 PM

Must have been the Carrol Shelby approved, Buddy Ingersol built twin turbo V6.

Jim Wahl · 07-15-2008, 01:40 PM

First let me say I have never heard of this guy in my life. I got info that this "Wild Bill" guy (who I understand is a Hemi racer) intentionally classified this car to the wrong class to stick his finger in the eye of FWD racers and Stock eliminator in general. He had to know he would be caught. What did he think this would accomplish? Thanks to Yak for bringing this to our attention. This thing has taken on a life of it's own with the more we find out the more it should piss off ALL racer, not just FWD guys. This guy has possibly taken points and money away from REAL racers by fraud. He needs to come on here and explain himself. I hope IHRA will investigate this and take appropriate action. Jim

Daran Summerton · 07-15-2008, 01:52 PM

There's an easy fix - Nobody in a FWD would like it though

Just kidding they don't bother me have as much as the bogus turbo cars! OOps sorry again Jim

Maybe I need to do a Toronado with a 455

07-14-2008, 03:53 PM	#1
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,120 Times in 1,951 Posts	IHRA FWD Weight Breaks Investigation Could someone post them? I'm researching this ".9 under street car." Thanks __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers Last edited by Mark Yacavone; 07-15-2008 at 01:50 PM.

07-14-2008, 04:58 PM	#2
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks from my 2008 IHRA CD AF - 13.00-15.99 BF - 16.00-16.99 CF - 17.00-17.99 DF - 18.00-18.99 EF - 19.00-19.99 FF - 20.00-23.49 GF - 23.50-27.49 HF - 27.50 and up __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS

07-14-2008, 05:20 PM	#3
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks What do ya know! It's an "F" car not an "H" ! Should have run on a 16.30 index. It was really 1.40 OVER not .90 under. Oooops! Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 07-14-2008 at 05:28 PM.

07-14-2008, 10:54 PM	#4
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,120 Times in 1,951 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks Thanks, guys Okay,let's see. If it's a natural 20# car,that's 155 (hp) x 20= 3100 + 170= 3270# To run H, which it can't (I assume you can drop only one class in IHRA) it would be: 155 x 27.5 = 4266 + 170= 4436 Assuming as a street would be considerably over the shipping weight,he still would have to add 6 to 8 hundred lbs. to get to the legal H weight which he can't run anyway. Don't they weigh cars at an IHRA points meet ? Or did he make up a weight figure, as well as a class? This guy was qualified under the index ,meaning he could have taken someone out that was in the World points chase. Not funny at all. Anyway ,my point is that you can't take a FWD car off the street and run .5 under to win class at Indy. You guys who don't want to apologize here, you can PM me . __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

07-15-2008, 12:30 PM	#5
Bud Lefevre Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 250 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks I wasn't there and haven't seen any photo,s , but Bill I thoght was a Mopar guy. Could it have been a Lebaron and not a Lesabre ? 10 1145 HF/SA Wild Bill Collett, Grafton WV, '88 LeSabre 17.700 18.60 -0.900 __________________ Bud Lefevre 3075 STK IHRA World Record Holder

07-15-2008, 12:48 PM	#6
Aaron Allison Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: East Palestine, OH Posts: 219 Likes: 4 Liked 150 Times in 43 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks I was there and it was a Buick. I remember because I made the comment to a friend that there is no way that he will be able to run the index in the extremely poor weather conditions that we had at pittsburgh over the weekend. __________________ Aaron Allison 395 STK, 395 SS, 3395 SC

07-15-2008, 01:07 PM	#7
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks 88 Chrysler LeBaron GTS (2.5 non-turbo) would be a natural GF - could run HF. (115HP -> 3332lb in HF/SA). Might be possible to run 17.70 (TCI calculator estimates 17.76 based on HP and weight) but not just pulling it off the lot - it would need some work. EDIT - since Aaron confirmed it was a Buick while I was typing the above analogy is out the window. __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS Last edited by Tim Kish; 07-15-2008 at 01:09 PM. Reason: updated response

07-15-2008, 01:24 PM	#8
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks Must have been the Carrol Shelby approved, Buddy Ingersol built twin turbo V6.

07-15-2008, 01:40 PM	#9
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks First let me say I have never heard of this guy in my life. I got info that this "Wild Bill" guy (who I understand is a Hemi racer) intentionally classified this car to the wrong class to stick his finger in the eye of FWD racers and Stock eliminator in general. He had to know he would be caught. What did he think this would accomplish? Thanks to Yak for bringing this to our attention. This thing has taken on a life of it's own with the more we find out the more it should piss off ALL racer, not just FWD guys. This guy has possibly taken points and money away from REAL racers by fraud. He needs to come on here and explain himself. I hope IHRA will investigate this and take appropriate action. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

07-15-2008, 01:52 PM	#10
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 600 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: IHRA FWD Weight Breaks There's an easy fix - Nobody in a FWD would like it though Just kidding they don't bother me have as much as the bogus turbo cars! OOps sorry again Jim Maybe I need to do a Toronado with a 455