What to expect

Len Imbrogno · 09-20-2007, 10:45 AM

Everyone,

I have had a number of calls from Stock racers trying to get clarification on possible changes for 2008 and what to expect. Therefore, as a follow up to Mickey's post, I would like to post for everyone's review where some of the issues currently stand.

1- Yes, the EFI one pound classes will go away and the EFI cars will be blended back into the regular
Stock classes.

2- Yes, all the existing Stock classes will continue to be 1/2 pound increments for 2008.

3- No, stick and auto's will not be combined for 2008. This or some other form of class consolidation is
being considered for the following year for both Stock and Super Stock. Further review by NHRA and
and racer input will be solicited during the upcoming season.

4- Yes, there will be a new 7.5 pound Stock class to allow the natural A cars to now move up one class.
There will not, however, be a 7.0 pound class.

5- All Stock and (Super Stock) class indexes will be adjusted by two tenths.

6- The issue of "E-shift" for older cars is still being considered. While this was previously approved for newer style
cars, it has not been legal in the older style. Consideration is now being given to allow it for either all or none.

7- Two-steps: While NHRA is still receiving input from NHRA racers on this issue, at the present time
55% of the 256 racers that have so far voiced their opinions want two-steps to be banned in Stock
across the board. Yes, this class could very well become a foot brake class.

As always, your input is welcomed.

Pat Cook · 09-20-2007, 11:05 AM

Ok, so let me get this straight, we are talking about banning two steps but allowing electronic shifting?

I will say it again, I have had a two step in my car for starting line rpm control for a really long time (way back when MSD started selling the silly things) and I have yet to win an NHRA race with it.

What is the complaint with two steps?

JDEMARZO · 09-20-2007, 11:09 AM

Len, thanks for the insights, will the lowering of the index by 2 tenths (11.55 goes to 11.35) have an effect on the AHPS or will it stay as is with -1.15 being a trigger for review and -1.4 being an automatic? Thanks for your time.

Joe DeMarzo
#1317-B/SA

Randall Klein · 09-20-2007, 11:19 AM

Len, can you update us on the SPEC Super Stock button(s)? I certainly would like to start testing yet this year if the button(s) are significantly different than what I have been using for 10 years....surely this issue has been resolved.

Thanks in advance

TOM WARD · 09-20-2007, 11:22 AM

Len
Thanks for the post and for leting us know what to expect in 2008.

JIM MARSHALL · 09-20-2007, 11:29 AM

Len,

Thanks for the update.

Jim Marshall

JEFF ESSMANN · 09-20-2007, 11:51 AM

len thanks for the information on the class racer fourm it is much appriciated.
my concern is the index adjustments of 2 tenths, this did not fix a problem in my eyes only made it worse. i run a ssja pontiac gto its a 1972 455 h-o motor i am factored at 330 hp and have to weigh 3800 pounds. in 2006 at brainered class there were 7 j cars 6 of us were in the 10.40 to 10.70 range off of an 11.30 index 1car was 10.30 and he wasnt stepping on it, this year he was in the 10.10 range there are several small block chevy combos capable of this look at nitro joes stat sheets. whats held these guys back is the fear of the autofactoring you just give them all another 2 tenths, either the horse power factors are going to have to be corrected. or this index adjustment will put the amc,fords,pontiacs and mopars out of the game.
thanks for listening jeff essmann ss/ja 5780

09-20-2007, 11:58 AM

Len,

Thanks , again for the update...I have talked to many racers like myself who have had problems
sending anything to that e-mail address on Two-Steps !!! Is there another e-mail address we can use??

* thanks in advance for your help, keep up the good work.....

Dave...1033/stock (Dave Ribeiro)

Ron Ortiz · 09-20-2007, 12:07 PM

Thank you Len for the news.
If indexes are dropped by two tenths, what is the triggers and minimum under for class.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA

bsa633 · 09-20-2007, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDEMARZO

Len, thanks for the insights, will the lowering of the index by 2 tenths (11.55 goes to 11.35) have an effect on the AHPS or will it stay as is with -1.15 being a trigger for review and -1.4 being an automatic? Thanks for your time.

Joe DeMarzo
#1317-B/SA

If so...and if Jeff Teuton's statistic is right that would mean the FI cars would keep that advatage for a long time,and cars like some "papercars" or others that has been good at this AHFS-game would be able to dominate for a long time...

09-20-2007, 11:05 AM	#2
Pat Cook Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 175 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What to expect Ok, so let me get this straight, we are talking about banning two steps but allowing electronic shifting? I will say it again, I have had a two step in my car for starting line rpm control for a really long time (way back when MSD started selling the silly things) and I have yet to win an NHRA race with it. What is the complaint with two steps? __________________ 67 Ford Fairlane F/SA 749

09-20-2007, 11:09 AM	#3
JDEMARZO Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 72 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What to expect Len, thanks for the insights, will the lowering of the index by 2 tenths (11.55 goes to 11.35) have an effect on the AHPS or will it stay as is with -1.15 being a trigger for review and -1.4 being an automatic? Thanks for your time. Joe DeMarzo #1317-B/SA

09-20-2007, 11:19 AM	#4
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: What to expect Len, can you update us on the SPEC Super Stock button(s)? I certainly would like to start testing yet this year if the button(s) are significantly different than what I have been using for 10 years....surely this issue has been resolved. Thanks in advance

09-20-2007, 11:22 AM	#5
TOM WARD Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: GRAND ISLAND FLORIDA Posts: 25 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What to expect Len Thanks for the post and for leting us know what to expect in 2008. __________________ TOM WARD 2880 STK

09-20-2007, 11:29 AM	#6
JIM MARSHALL Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indian Land SC Posts: 122 Likes: 245 Liked 337 Times in 46 Posts	Re: What to expect Len, Thanks for the update. Jim Marshall __________________ Jim Marshall 1967 STK

09-20-2007, 10:45 AM	#1
Len Imbrogno Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 40 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What to expect Everyone, I have had a number of calls from Stock racers trying to get clarification on possible changes for 2008 and what to expect. Therefore, as a follow up to Mickey's post, I would like to post for everyone's review where some of the issues currently stand. 1- Yes, the EFI one pound classes will go away and the EFI cars will be blended back into the regular Stock classes. 2- Yes, all the existing Stock classes will continue to be 1/2 pound increments for 2008. 3- No, stick and auto's will not be combined for 2008. This or some other form of class consolidation is being considered for the following year for both Stock and Super Stock. Further review by NHRA and and racer input will be solicited during the upcoming season. 4- Yes, there will be a new 7.5 pound Stock class to allow the natural A cars to now move up one class. There will not, however, be a 7.0 pound class. 5- All Stock and (Super Stock) class indexes will be adjusted by two tenths. 6- The issue of "E-shift" for older cars is still being considered. While this was previously approved for newer style cars, it has not been legal in the older style. Consideration is now being given to allow it for either all or none. 7- Two-steps: While NHRA is still receiving input from NHRA racers on this issue, at the present time 55% of the 256 racers that have so far voiced their opinions want two-steps to be banned in Stock across the board. Yes, this class could very well become a foot brake class. As always, your input is welcomed. __________________ Len Imbrogno Last edited by Len Imbrogno; 09-20-2007 at 10:56 AM.

09-20-2007, 11:51 AM	#7
JEFF ESSMANN Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 10 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What to expect len thanks for the information on the class racer fourm it is much appriciated. my concern is the index adjustments of 2 tenths, this did not fix a problem in my eyes only made it worse. i run a ssja pontiac gto its a 1972 455 h-o motor i am factored at 330 hp and have to weigh 3800 pounds. in 2006 at brainered class there were 7 j cars 6 of us were in the 10.40 to 10.70 range off of an 11.30 index 1car was 10.30 and he wasnt stepping on it, this year he was in the 10.10 range there are several small block chevy combos capable of this look at nitro joes stat sheets. whats held these guys back is the fear of the autofactoring you just give them all another 2 tenths, either the horse power factors are going to have to be corrected. or this index adjustment will put the amc,fords,pontiacs and mopars out of the game. thanks for listening jeff essmann ss/ja 5780 __________________ Jeff Essmann 5780 ss/ja WEB SITE WITH MY RACECAR

09-20-2007, 11:58 AM	#8
RIBEIRO RACING Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What to expect Len, Thanks , again for the update...I have talked to many racers like myself who have had problems sending anything to that e-mail address on Two-Steps !!! Is there another e-mail address we can use?? * thanks in advance for your help, keep up the good work..... Dave...1033/stock (Dave Ribeiro)

09-20-2007, 12:07 PM	#9
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 988 Likes: 33 Liked 315 Times in 102 Posts	Re: What to expect Thank you Len for the news. If indexes are dropped by two tenths, what is the triggers and minimum under for class. Ron Ortiz U/SA __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK