69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it?

Dean Feiock · 09-30-2012, 01:12 PM

Went to the hub city this weekend. When I stopped by my favorite upholstery shop, I found this:
1969 Camaro Z-28, 302, Cross Ram, 4 speed, factory radio delete, and more.
Has name plate "Berger" on rear panel.

Was told that there were only "5" of these cars made. Truth?
What's the value? Was told 6 figures.....

Ed Wright · 09-30-2012, 02:12 PM

The '69 Z28 was not that rare. I would guess every one bought for a race car (popular as race cars in '69) was ordered without a radio. If I remember correctly, the cross ram was a "dealer installed" option. Several guys bought that set up to install themselves.

Alan Roehrich · 09-30-2012, 02:34 PM

The cross ram, and headers, were dealer installed options.

The 1969 Camaro was produced for an extended period of time, as the 1970 was actually a 1970 1/2.

That color combination is fairly common, Fathom Green and Dover White.

You could probably research it to find out if it was really sold by Berger Chevrolet, which was a noted high performance Chevrolet dealer that specialized in the performance line. Berger did a fair amount of COPO ordering, as well as doing a lot of dealer installations on that type of part.

I seriously doubt it is a $100K car, unless it has some special heritage. I've seen complete numbers matching RS/Z-28 cars with all the options, including the cross ram, headers, chambered exhaust, and 4 wheel disc brakes, all verified, not bring that even being well restored.

Charlie A · 09-30-2012, 03:17 PM

Not many remember the 69 Camaro was manfactured well into 1970.
Can't remember if tooling for the new Camaro or some kind of strike
delayed the "70 1/2" production.

Sort of like the 82 Corvette. Produced months into 1983.
You want a Barrett-Jackson killer car? Find the "one of one" legitimate 1983 Corvette!!! (yes, that's sarcasam)

jmcarter · 09-30-2012, 03:59 PM

The 70 was delayed because of manufacturing issues at Fisher Body. Back in the day major tooling changes for signicant model year changes were a big challenge for all the car companies and they made the dies like they had to last decades (which they could). Manufacturing of aircraft, cars, etc has changed so much over the years it's amazing.

gsa612 · 09-30-2012, 04:58 PM

In order to get a high dollar you would need the build sheet,(proof of being a Berger car), list of owners, documented miles etc. If everything checks it might not fetch 100k, but it would be close.(80,s). Like they say theres a seat for every azz. gsa612

Geerhead55 · 09-30-2012, 08:06 PM

Alan,, I know my eyes are getting old,, but that looks like Rally Green to me. I'm thinking Fathom Green was quite a bit darker. I agree with most here that this car isn't really that rare,, even with the crossram. My '69 was a somewhat rare color, Burnished Brown, with an Endura bumper up front,, but it too wasn't rare, just a kick-butt all around fun car. Its the one I was always going to keep, but it was stolen in Jan of '75 and there wasn't enough left of it when the cops found it 7 months later to try bring it back from the dead. However, with todays' aftermarket and parts availability, if it happened now, I'd give it a try.
Danny Durham

BadBanana · 09-30-2012, 08:19 PM

I believe there were more '69 Z-28s than either '67s or '68s. The cross ram is unusual but someone here said that was a factory install; so I guess I would say - the car is not that rare !!

Sam Murray · 09-30-2012, 08:20 PM

Where's Z28 Camaroman when you need him?

Pvt Parts · 09-30-2012, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geerhead55

Alan,, I know my eyes are getting old,, but that looks like Rally Green to me. I'm thinking Fathom Green was quite a bit darker. I agree with most here that this car isn't really that rare,, even with the crossram. My '69 was a somewhat rare color, Burnished Brown, with an Endura bumper up front,, but it too wasn't rare, just a kick-butt all around fun car. Its the one I was always going to keep, but it was stolen in Jan of '75 and there wasn't enough left of it when the cops found it 7 months later to try bring it back from the dead. However, with todays' aftermarket and parts availability, if it happened now, I'd give it a try.
Danny Durham

It's looks like Rally Green to me. I used to have one just like it. Wish I had it back.

09-30-2012, 01:12 PM	#1
Dean Feiock Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pierre, SD Posts: 204 Likes: 0 Liked 49 Times in 15 Posts	69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? Went to the hub city this weekend. When I stopped by my favorite upholstery shop, I found this: 1969 Camaro Z-28, 302, Cross Ram, 4 speed, factory radio delete, and more. Has name plate "Berger" on rear panel. Was told that there were only "5" of these cars made. Truth? What's the value? Was told 6 figures..... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Dean Feiock -- Stock 5002

09-30-2012, 02:12 PM	#2
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? The '69 Z28 was not that rare. I would guess every one bought for a race car (popular as race cars in '69) was ordered without a radio. If I remember correctly, the cross ram was a "dealer installed" option. Several guys bought that set up to install themselves. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

09-30-2012, 02:34 PM	#3
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,110 Likes: 1,570 Liked 1,810 Times in 412 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? The cross ram, and headers, were dealer installed options. The 1969 Camaro was produced for an extended period of time, as the 1970 was actually a 1970 1/2. That color combination is fairly common, Fathom Green and Dover White. You could probably research it to find out if it was really sold by Berger Chevrolet, which was a noted high performance Chevrolet dealer that specialized in the performance line. Berger did a fair amount of COPO ordering, as well as doing a lot of dealer installations on that type of part. I seriously doubt it is a $100K car, unless it has some special heritage. I've seen complete numbers matching RS/Z-28 cars with all the options, including the cross ram, headers, chambered exhaust, and 4 wheel disc brakes, all verified, not bring that even being well restored. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S Last edited by Alan Roehrich; 09-30-2012 at 02:38 PM.

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Charlie A VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 2,483 Likes: 68 Liked 87 Times in 63 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? Not many remember the 69 Camaro was manfactured well into 1970. Can't remember if tooling for the new Camaro or some kind of strike delayed the "70 1/2" production. Sort of like the 82 Corvette. Produced months into 1983. You want a Barrett-Jackson killer car? Find the "one of one" legitimate 1983 Corvette!!! (yes, that's sarcasam)

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jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,295 Likes: 2,381 Liked 3,174 Times in 971 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? The 70 was delayed because of manufacturing issues at Fisher Body. Back in the day major tooling changes for signicant model year changes were a big challenge for all the car companies and they made the dies like they had to last decades (which they could). Manufacturing of aircraft, cars, etc has changed so much over the years it's amazing. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table Last edited by jmcarter; 09-30-2012 at 04:50 PM.

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gsa612 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 100th Meridian Posts: 569 Likes: 116 Liked 280 Times in 139 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? In order to get a high dollar you would need the build sheet,(proof of being a Berger car), list of owners, documented miles etc. If everything checks it might not fetch 100k, but it would be close.(80,s). Like they say theres a seat for every azz. gsa612

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Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? Alan,, I know my eyes are getting old,, but that looks like Rally Green to me. I'm thinking Fathom Green was quite a bit darker. I agree with most here that this car isn't really that rare,, even with the crossram. My '69 was a somewhat rare color, Burnished Brown, with an Endura bumper up front,, but it too wasn't rare, just a kick-butt all around fun car. Its the one I was always going to keep, but it was stolen in Jan of '75 and there wasn't enough left of it when the cops found it 7 months later to try bring it back from the dead. However, with todays' aftermarket and parts availability, if it happened now, I'd give it a try. Danny Durham

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BadBanana Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 76 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? I believe there were more '69 Z-28s than either '67s or '68s. The cross ram is unusual but someone here said that was a factory install; so I guess I would say - the car is not that rare !!

09-30-2012, 08:20 PM	#9
Sam Murray Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cummaquid, Mass Posts: 445 Likes: 413 Liked 60 Times in 29 Posts	Re: 69 Camaro Z-28: How rare is it? Where's Z28 Camaroman when you need him? __________________ Sam Murray 1616 STK