Consensus By Professional Engine Builders

Larry Hill · 10-04-2010, 08:22 PM

After 1000 plus miles of travel and individual meetings with three of the top engine builders in the country the consensus is: I do not have a chance of winning any heads up runs with the new CJ or DP cars.

The answer for me is the F/X class for those "New Cars"

I, Danny G., Bruce B., and many others will not live long enough for the AHFS to level the playing field. I probably should include Linda Louie but she doesn't have a clue about Class Racing.

Larry

Conway Witten · 10-04-2010, 09:53 PM

how about giving some horsepower back to the other cars in the classes that the new cars run in?

Andys dad · 10-04-2010, 10:03 PM

I figured out the best solution at least for me.

Sell my car cheap

Get a loan

Buy a Drag Pak V10

Its time to upgrade to the 21st century

I am going to submit my application tomorrow

johnny shot · 10-04-2010, 10:26 PM

Sucks to be you Larry! In the past you could not win because the fast guys were bending the rules, or outright cheating. Now you can't win because of the new cars. If you think you can't win, YOU CAN'T WIN. New cars break, drivers snooze, go red, fail fuel check, don't make weight or maybe even get bounced in tech, the list is endless. They can, have been and will be beaten by guys who have not interviewed your 3 top engine builders. But, you say it's a no win situation for you. So, NHRA creates an F/X class, and you are still stuck with those pesky scofflaws in the upper classes. I'm not saying the new cars are right, but I certainly don't think this would be the end of your fault finding missions.

Jeff Lee · 10-05-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny shot

Sucks to be you Larry! In the past you could not win because the fast guys were bending the rules, or outright cheating. Now you can't win because of the new cars. If you think you can't win, YOU CAN'T WIN. New cars break, drivers snooze, go red, fail fuel check, don't make weight or maybe even get bounced in tech, the list is endless. They can, have been and will be beaten by guys who have not interviewed your 3 top engine builders. But, you say it's a no win situation for you. So, NHRA creates an F/X class, and you are still stuck with those pesky scofflaws in the upper classes. I'm not saying the new cars are right, but I certainly don't think this would be the end of your fault finding missions.

Excellent analysis! And while Larry should not take it personal, I think this summarizes the attitude of a LOT of racers, or at least the racers who post online.
And Andy's Dad has it right also. If you think it's the way to go, go that direction with a positive attitude!

Michael Beard · 10-05-2010, 10:19 AM

If you believe in that much luck, may as well play the lottery.

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We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes.

I don't believe that NHRA is that blind.

Dottie DiBartolomeo · 10-05-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

After 1000 plus miles of travel and individual meetings with three of the top engine builders in the country the consensus is: I do not have a chance of winning any heads up runs with the new CJ or DP cars.

Larry

Larry

It's not the car it's the driver. There is always a chance, it's what you call luck.

Greg Hill · 10-05-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dottie DiBartolomeo

Larry

It's not the car it's the driver. There is always a chance, it's what you call luck.

Yea, right. How many races you gonna win when the guy has you covered by 5 tenths or more. Larry's car is not exactly slow, I've seen him go low 10 teens in A which is pretty decent.

M&M Motorsports · 10-05-2010, 10:00 AM

Larry,
Like you and many others, we are faced with the same situation. We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes. However, at this point, we need to be patient and await whatever changes are coming. At that point, each of us can assess the impact those changes will have on our individual combinations. It is important that we collectively try to move in a positive direction. It is best for us as individuals and our sport as a whole.

Sites like this allow free expression of many different views, but I am saddened to see the personal attacks on you and others, rather than addressing the actual issue. This has a tendency to reduce our effectiveness, as a group, with those (like NHRA) who monitor this site. Just remember the immortal words of John Wayne -- "A big mouth don't make a big man".

Dgal · 10-05-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by M&M Motorsports

Larry,
Like you and many others, we are faced with the same situation. We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes. However, at this point, we need to be patient and await whatever changes are coming. At that point, each of us can assess the impact those changes will have on our individual combinations. It is important that we collectively try to move in a positive direction. It is best for us as individuals and our sport as a whole.

Sites like this allow free expression of many different views, but I am saddened to see the personal attacks on you and others, rather than addressing the actual issue. This has a tendency to reduce our effectiveness, as a group, with those (like NHRA) who monitor this site. Just remember the immortal words of John Wayne -- "A big mouth don't make a big man".

Geeze, did you have to be so reasonable? Great post and I felt it needed repeating.

Don

10-04-2010, 08:22 PM	#1
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,583 Likes: 1,867 Liked 10,582 Times in 2,186 Posts	Consensus By Professional Engine Builders After 1000 plus miles of travel and individual meetings with three of the top engine builders in the country the consensus is: I do not have a chance of winning any heads up runs with the new CJ or DP cars. The answer for me is the F/X class for those "New Cars" I, Danny G., Bruce B., and many others will not live long enough for the AHFS to level the playing field. I probably should include Linda Louie but she doesn't have a clue about Class Racing. Larry __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

10-04-2010, 09:53 PM	#2
Conway Witten Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders how about giving some horsepower back to the other cars in the classes that the new cars run in?

10-04-2010, 10:03 PM	#3
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders I figured out the best solution at least for me. Sell my car cheap Get a loan Buy a Drag Pak V10 Its time to upgrade to the 21st century I am going to submit my application tomorrow __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

10-04-2010, 10:26 PM	#4
johnny shot Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Sucks to be you Larry! In the past you could not win because the fast guys were bending the rules, or outright cheating. Now you can't win because of the new cars. If you think you can't win, YOU CAN'T WIN. New cars break, drivers snooze, go red, fail fuel check, don't make weight or maybe even get bounced in tech, the list is endless. They can, have been and will be beaten by guys who have not interviewed your 3 top engine builders. But, you say it's a no win situation for you. So, NHRA creates an F/X class, and you are still stuck with those pesky scofflaws in the upper classes. I'm not saying the new cars are right, but I certainly don't think this would be the end of your fault finding missions.

10-05-2010, 10:00 AM	#9
M&M Motorsports Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jerome, Michigan Posts: 119 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders Larry, Like you and many others, we are faced with the same situation. We have to, however, believe that NHRA is not only aware of this dilemma, but also actively working on changes for the 2011 season. Comments on this site have helped to raise awareness and facilitate the upcoming changes. However, at this point, we need to be patient and await whatever changes are coming. At that point, each of us can assess the impact those changes will have on our individual combinations. It is important that we collectively try to move in a positive direction. It is best for us as individuals and our sport as a whole. Sites like this allow free expression of many different views, but I am saddened to see the personal attacks on you and others, rather than addressing the actual issue. This has a tendency to reduce our effectiveness, as a group, with those (like NHRA) who monitor this site. Just remember the immortal words of John Wayne -- "A big mouth don't make a big man".