Who didn't see this coming? - Barton

fredjohnston · 06-05-2013, 01:51 PM

NHRA Levies Fines Against Participant
The NHRA imposed a two thousand five hundred ($2,500) fine against David Barton for violating NHRA Rules, particularly Section 1.3.1 of the 2013 NHRA Rulebook on Participant Conduct at the recently completed Toyota NHRA Summernationals at Old Bridge Township Raceway Park in Englishtown, N.J. Barton engaged in inappropriate behavior and used profanity after receiving instructions from NHRA’s Chief Starter to return to his vehicle and exit the race track during the second round of eliminations. Barton also is required to formally apologize to NHRA’s Chief Starter for his unacceptable sportsmanship. Any further incidents will result in additional disciplinary action up to, and including, suspension of competition privileges. The fine must be paid in full prior to Barton being eligible to participate at any future NHRA events. The fine is appealable, as outlined in section 1, pages 16-23 of the 2013 NHRA Rulebook.

Should take up a collection and pay this.

Dave Crouchet · 06-05-2013, 02:16 PM

I would pay it in pennies if I was Barton.

Just my .02 cents!

Byron Worner · 06-05-2013, 02:22 PM

Can the racers levy a fine against NHRA for not supplying us with the proper racing surface? This is BS that a guy, who spun his *** off on a sub par National Event track, can't vent a little for NHRA failing to establish the proper racing surface. Just my opinion.

Keith 944 · 06-05-2013, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron Worner

Can the racers levy a fine against NHRA for not supplying us with the proper racing surface? This is BS that a guy, who spun his *** off on a sub par National Event track, can't vent a little for NHRA failing to establish the proper racing surface. Just my opinion.

X 2 !
this is an unacceptable practice. NHRA should have a safe, fair place to race, not a skating rink. more people will wreck or be killed on these unsafe tracks! NHRA "dedicated to safety", Right.....

David Barton · 06-05-2013, 04:08 PM

I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me.

And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong.

Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html

At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I?

BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up.

And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

1320racer · 06-05-2013, 04:35 PM

David, I applaud you for having the balls to let them know how you felt about those deplorable track conditions. IMO everyone that spun should make a donation towards paying your fine, for you verbalizing on the track to the officials how they too felt. Better yet EVERY sportsman class racer that competed at this event should stand with you and tell the NHRA to reverse the fine as well the call for an apology.

Mark Yacavone · 06-05-2013, 05:52 PM

NHRA>>>>

jmantle · 06-05-2013, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Barton

I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me.

And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong.

Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html

At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I?

BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up.

And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

I think a fair deal is apologize to the starter as he was probably just doing as he was told, NHRA drops the fine as there was obviously issues with the track.

Jim Mantle

John Duzac · 06-05-2013, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Barton

I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me.

And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong.

Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html

At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I?

BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up.

And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

David, sorry about the mishap. I beleive as long as they keep using PJ1 traction compound the problem will continue. Conditions will get much worst when the track surface gets above 100. All you need to do is just walk on the starting line and see if your shoe sticks to the track???? I am sure you have experienced a track like that. Ever since they started using PJ1 the starting line has not been sticky. This is a real problem for high HP cars. At No Problem, when you would walk on the track, it would pull your shoes off! In 2013, I have not noticed my shoes coming off and bald spots a plenty. The only thing different is everyone is using PJ1! That's what I noticed.

Dan Bernay · 06-06-2013, 06:20 AM

It will be very interesting to look back at this situation in 10yrs?
To see the state of NHRA that point.
Seems like racers are not simply going to be sheep anymore, following what the sanctioning body says with no questions.
Will sportsman racing still exist today as we know it?
More people will speak up now that Mr Barton has set a trend, hopefully.
I can't speculate on NHRA's agenda, but it don't look good, for there future or that of the sportsmen racer.
Sorry for the negativity but that's where I see this going.

06-05-2013, 01:51 PM	#1
fredjohnston Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 341 Likes: 0 Liked 55 Times in 14 Posts	Who didn't see this coming? - Barton NHRA Levies Fines Against Participant The NHRA imposed a two thousand five hundred ($2,500) fine against David Barton for violating NHRA Rules, particularly Section 1.3.1 of the 2013 NHRA Rulebook on Participant Conduct at the recently completed Toyota NHRA Summernationals at Old Bridge Township Raceway Park in Englishtown, N.J. Barton engaged in inappropriate behavior and used profanity after receiving instructions from NHRA’s Chief Starter to return to his vehicle and exit the race track during the second round of eliminations. Barton also is required to formally apologize to NHRA’s Chief Starter for his unacceptable sportsmanship. Any further incidents will result in additional disciplinary action up to, and including, suspension of competition privileges. The fine must be paid in full prior to Barton being eligible to participate at any future NHRA events. The fine is appealable, as outlined in section 1, pages 16-23 of the 2013 NHRA Rulebook. Should take up a collection and pay this.

06-05-2013, 02:16 PM	#2
Dave Crouchet Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: where the coonass!s are Posts: 98 Likes: 2 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton I would pay it in pennies if I was Barton. Just my .02 cents! __________________ *David Crouchet*

06-05-2013, 02:22 PM	#3
Byron Worner Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 229 Likes: 11 Liked 28 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton Can the racers levy a fine against NHRA for not supplying us with the proper racing surface? This is BS that a guy, who spun his *** off on a sub par National Event track, can't vent a little for NHRA failing to establish the proper racing surface. Just my opinion.

06-05-2013, 04:08 PM	#5
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton I already wrecked this car before due to poor track prep. At the 2011 Dutch Classic, my car owner asked the starter to check out our lane because the track looked funny on one side of the lane after the snowmobiles ran. The starter looked over and ignored to check it out for himself. Seconds later I stuffed it into the wall. It went straight for the center line and I tried to steer it back but it got away from me. And keep in mind my car owner never would have stopped me after the burnout unless there was something wrong. Here's the video. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/HVY2...ARTON.mp4.html At Englishtown my car owner asked the starter if he could drag the track to do something about the bald spots. His reply was that there wasn't enough time because they had a schedule to stick to. Boy, we feel really important. I paid my entry fee didn't I? BTW, I'm taking donations to pay for this fine if anyone is feeling generous. I'm 33 years old and I'm trying to support my family. The last thing I have is $2500 to pay for this absurd fine for trying to speak up. And one more thing. The letter I received mentioned several times about how they want to keep everything at a professional level. How is neglecting the starting line being professional? And how professional was the starting line crew when they were flat out ignoring everyone. People were even getting booted off the line for looking at it. If the track was any good nobody would bother to look ahead of time.

06-05-2013, 04:35 PM	#6
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton David, I applaud you for having the balls to let them know how you felt about those deplorable track conditions. IMO everyone that spun should make a donation towards paying your fine, for you verbalizing on the track to the officials how they too felt. Better yet EVERY sportsman class racer that competed at this event should stand with you and tell the NHRA to reverse the fine as well the call for an apology. Last edited by 1320racer; 06-05-2013 at 04:38 PM.

06-05-2013, 05:52 PM	#7
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,803 Likes: 2,892 Liked 5,099 Times in 1,944 Posts	Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton NHRA>>>> __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

06-06-2013, 06:20 AM	#10
Dan Bernay Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 391 Likes: 2 Liked 13 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Who didn't see this coming? - Barton It will be very interesting to look back at this situation in 10yrs? To see the state of NHRA that point. Seems like racers are not simply going to be sheep anymore, following what the sanctioning body says with no questions. Will sportsman racing still exist today as we know it? More people will speak up now that Mr Barton has set a trend, hopefully. I can't speculate on NHRA's agenda, but it don't look good, for there future or that of the sportsmen racer. Sorry for the negativity but that's where I see this going.