For Super Stock Only

Don Kennedy · 01-19-2009, 07:01 PM

I have been racing since 1963 and I feel now is the time to allow any modifications allowed in the pan for Super Stock only. This new rule change would help just about everyone racing from the racer who is trying to buy or find the best crank or( lightest) to put in their pan, to NHRA who has a huge amount of head aches trying to approve all of the various combination cranks and even the amount of time it takes to tear down the race cars by dropping the pan . The cost of what’s is in the pans’ these days is beginning to get out of hand let those who have the money to spend all they want in the pan ,and let the Automatic factoring system take care of the amount of ET the pick up if any one does

We would still have the normal tear down of course but no longer would they make the racer pull the pan any more. The time has come for this to happen especially with all trying to cut down overhead during these “economic hard times”

” Now I would like NHRA to double the number of times the Automatic HP factoring System is applied.

What does everyone think about this idea?

Mark Yacavone · 01-19-2009, 10:01 PM

” Now I would like NHRA to double the number of times the Automatic HP factoring System is applied.

What does everyone think about this idea?

Don, I was just thinking the same thing,..in regard to the new combos coming into Stock.
The AHFS in a strictly mechanical system. By that ,I mean the data is available. All they need is to pay somebody to put it in a computer four times a year.
It is amazing to me sometimes ,how cheap and lazy they are .We get very little effort for all the money we pay them.

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novassdude · 01-20-2009, 10:44 AM

I would have to disagree on the bottom end part. Yes if the mega bucks guy builds a super light bottom and ends up getting hit by he AFS it hurts himself. But what about the others that run the same combination that are not the mega bucks guys with super trick parts. Now you just made all of them uncompetitive.

Don Kennedy · 01-20-2009, 10:53 AM

I suspect that the money is already being spent on the cars pans that are going really quick already and if a racer thinks that super stock racing is cheap they need to re think the class they are in .

I know that this anything goes in a pan will be the future in order to save a lot of Money, hassle and since it is going on already we might as well make it legal . In this day and age there is absolutely no fair way to enforce what is in a pan in any Super Stocker. The haves are already spending the money in their pans and there is no way that anyone can police this in a consistent and fair way to enforce due to the nature of racing now a days

Michael Beard · 01-20-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

The AHFS in a strictly mechanical system. By that ,I mean the data is available.

You can export run data to Excel after an event and do run completion to determine 'real' E.T.'s within a degree of certainty to eliminate the 1000' games. That methos may require a little wiggle room of a few hundredths to cover that uncertainty, but if a car is heading for -1.25 under at 1000', it's pretty obvious it can go more than -1.15 under and deserves a look.

Ed Wright · 01-20-2009, 02:11 PM

That would make it easier on the cars that the pan won't come off in the car. There are more fun ways to spend a weekend that pulling the engine to pull the pan.

novassdude · 01-22-2009, 02:08 PM

Isn't there already a class with these rules called comp? If that doesn't work there is the 90 classes with no rules and no teardowns. I really hate the argument that every one is doing it so let’s just make it legal. I say lets get serious about throwing out all the illegal stuff. If people don't like the rules find a class with the rules you do like

Dick Butler · 01-22-2009, 04:15 PM

Don, I am afraid this is just a "next step" that would blur the line between SS and Comp. If they really wanted to tech in the pan they would have required an access hole with a bolt on cover and purchase a scope to just look inside. Next time anyone rebuilt they make the pan hole as needed. DONE. techable pan. I had been told hitting the crank tells the material so that could help.
I am afraid your thought would encourage the " Just race and keep the Hood shut" as an ultimate method of allowing all the things you believe are being done anyway.
Tighter tech with trained people Could be done if they paid good money. But......
Its just a dial in anyway except Indy....Points meets and most National events.
Too many combinations, Too many specs, too few tech men and too little to gain for this level Tech to become common place. Want to really limit the problems? Limit the choices, limit the specs making it easy for ALL to identify an illegal part, or carb or ... If people insist on more and more combinations in the book they are chosing to create the problems not constructively correct some of them.
I am not sure why NHRA doesnot create a spec motor class where THEY sell the legal parts and then they make the money AND control the modifications to Zero. Kind of like limiting Tires in Pro Stock.

01-19-2009, 07:01 PM	#1
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,588 Likes: 3,846 Liked 900 Times in 236 Posts	For Super Stock Only I have been racing since 1963 and I feel now is the time to allow any modifications allowed in the pan for Super Stock only. This new rule change would help just about everyone racing from the racer who is trying to buy or find the best crank or( lightest) to put in their pan, to NHRA who has a huge amount of head aches trying to approve all of the various combination cranks and even the amount of time it takes to tear down the race cars by dropping the pan . The cost of what’s is in the pans’ these days is beginning to get out of hand let those who have the money to spend all they want in the pan ,and let the Automatic factoring system take care of the amount of ET the pick up if any one does We would still have the normal tear down of course but no longer would they make the racer pull the pan any more. The time has come for this to happen especially with all trying to cut down overhead during these “economic hard times” ” Now I would like NHRA to double the number of times the Automatic HP factoring System is applied. What does everyone think about this idea? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 01-19-2009 at 07:23 PM.

01-19-2009, 10:01 PM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,742 Likes: 2,845 Liked 5,002 Times in 1,902 Posts	Re: For Super Stock Only ” Now I would like NHRA to double the number of times the Automatic HP factoring System is applied. What does everyone think about this idea? Don, I was just thinking the same thing,..in regard to the new combos coming into Stock. The AHFS in a strictly mechanical system. By that ,I mean the data is available. All they need is to pay somebody to put it in a computer four times a year. It is amazing to me sometimes ,how cheap and lazy they are .We get very little effort for all the money we pay them. __________________ __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

01-20-2009, 10:44 AM	#3
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 751 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: For Super Stock Only I would have to disagree on the bottom end part. Yes if the mega bucks guy builds a super light bottom and ends up getting hit by he AFS it hurts himself. But what about the others that run the same combination that are not the mega bucks guys with super trick parts. Now you just made all of them uncompetitive.

01-20-2009, 10:53 AM	#4
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,588 Likes: 3,846 Liked 900 Times in 236 Posts	Re: For Super Stock Only I suspect that the money is already being spent on the cars pans that are going really quick already and if a racer thinks that super stock racing is cheap they need to re think the class they are in . I know that this anything goes in a pan will be the future in order to save a lot of Money, hassle and since it is going on already we might as well make it legal . In this day and age there is absolutely no fair way to enforce what is in a pan in any Super Stocker. The haves are already spending the money in their pans and there is no way that anyone can police this in a consistent and fair way to enforce due to the nature of racing now a days __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 01-20-2009 at 11:31 AM.

01-20-2009, 02:11 PM	#6
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 169 Posts	Re: For Super Stock Only That would make it easier on the cars that the pan won't come off in the car. There are more fun ways to spend a weekend that pulling the engine to pull the pan. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-22-2009, 02:08 PM	#7
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 751 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: For Super Stock Only Isn't there already a class with these rules called comp? If that doesn't work there is the 90 classes with no rules and no teardowns. I really hate the argument that every one is doing it so let’s just make it legal. I say lets get serious about throwing out all the illegal stuff. If people don't like the rules find a class with the rules you do like

01-22-2009, 04:15 PM	#8
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: For Super Stock Only Don, I am afraid this is just a "next step" that would blur the line between SS and Comp. If they really wanted to tech in the pan they would have required an access hole with a bolt on cover and purchase a scope to just look inside. Next time anyone rebuilt they make the pan hole as needed. DONE. techable pan. I had been told hitting the crank tells the material so that could help. I am afraid your thought would encourage the " Just race and keep the Hood shut" as an ultimate method of allowing all the things you believe are being done anyway. Tighter tech with trained people Could be done if they paid good money. But...... Its just a dial in anyway except Indy....Points meets and most National events. Too many combinations, Too many specs, too few tech men and too little to gain for this level Tech to become common place. Want to really limit the problems? Limit the choices, limit the specs making it easy for ALL to identify an illegal part, or carb or ... If people insist on more and more combinations in the book they are chosing to create the problems not constructively correct some of them. I am not sure why NHRA doesnot create a spec motor class where THEY sell the legal parts and then they make the money AND control the modifications to Zero. Kind of like limiting Tires in Pro Stock.