New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Junior I still have a good time racing. This year like you I'm not going to any National events. dwydendorf I shouldn't have to build a new car to compete in stock. The organization that I'm a member of shouldn't be so corrupt that they put cars in my class that have no business being their. I still don't understand why Chrysler and Ford don't run the cars they sell to the puiblic in stock. Every other car that runs in stock was street legal at one time and generally available to the public. I'm going to my divisional races this year and probably the Sportsnational race in Columbus. Other than that it will be the d3 opens and combo races at Bowling Green and Ohio Valley.

Greg,

In all honesty,do you think that your combo and the 455 Olds combo are rated fairly?
I certainly don't.However,me and my mom will still race and probably get you HEADS UP more than once this year.
Last year at St. Louis,you raced my mom in class and won by about 1/2 second.Then,in the first round,you raced her HEADS UP AGAIN.
See you at Indy......Probably HEADS UP in Round 1.

[Greg Hill]

442 olds. it seems like a red olds 442 from Michigan runs pretty fair. I told your Dad last year who could build you guys motors that would run. I spend a lot of time and money on my stuff trying to make it run fast. I just don.t like the idea of purpose built factory race cars that don't have a vin number and were never street legal, to say nothing of their bogus horsepower ratings being able to race in Stock. If I'm a half a second faster than you one of those new challengers would be a second faster. Just take a look at the specs on the 305hp hemi.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

A couple of days ago, one of the new car supporters sent me an email that said all of us old guys should move on. The new cars are here to stay and we should just take our lumps. And let them have their way.

That's a common problem with the "later" generations. The same sort of people who figure that at the age of 20-25 they should already have everything their parents had worked until they were 40-50 to attain are exactly the type of people who figure they should be able to go and "buy the right" to be one of the fast guys when the older guys worked for years to get there.

We've now been infested by the "entitled" generations. Rather than being entitled to the pursuit of happiness, they feel they are entitled to happiness itself, with little or no effort.

[dwydendorf]

I never said that you had to build a new car to compete in Stock, I said that you may have to build a new car to be the fastest A or AA stock. Keep in mind that NHRA makes decisions based on what is best for their organization and not what may be the best for you as a racer. If that is corrupt or a good business decision is for you to decide. I am only presenting a different point of view. I have been on your side of a similar situation but I have learned to look at the situation differently. After seeing how fast the new cars are it makes me wonder if I should sell my old engine pieces and start on a new engine combo but its just a bracket race once eliminations start and very seldom do I have a heads up run so I don't get worked up over it. I have never been happy with some of the decision NHRA makes but I can't control it so I try not to let it get to me.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

442 olds. it seems like a red olds 442 from Michigan runs pretty fair. I told your Dad last year who could build you guys motors that would run. I spend a lot of time and money on my stuff trying to make it run fast. I just don.t like the idea of purpose built factory race cars that don't have a vin number and were never street legal, to say nothing of their bogus horsepower ratings being able to race in Stock. If I'm a half a second faster than you one of those new challengers would be a second faster. Just take a look at the specs on the 305hp hemi.

Greg,
There is NO engine builder than can LEGALLY (not pass tech,but LEGAL) build an Oldsmobile 455 for Stock Eliminator that can run 10.70's at 3770 pounds.This is under current rules,which constantly change.
If one did,you would probably be running 10.30's at that race.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

I never said that you had to build a new car to compete in Stock, I said that you may have to build a new car to be the fastest A or AA stock. Keep in mind that NHRA makes decisions based on what is best for their organization and not what may be the best for you as a racer. If that is corrupt or a good business decision is for you to decide. I am only presenting a different point of view. I have been on your side of a similar situation but I have learned to look at the situation differently. After seeing how fast the new cars are it makes me wonder if I should sell my old engine pieces and start on a new engine combo but its just a bracket race once eliminations start and very seldom do I have a heads up run so I don't get worked up over it. I have never been happy with some of the decision NHRA makes but I can't control it so I try not to let it get to me.

Well, the factors and the AHFS are supposed to make sure that you do not have to buy or build a new car. And while you might not see too many heads up races in regular eliminations, it is not that uncommon in Stock, especially for the faster classes. I think Fletcher had at least FOUR heads up races in a row last week.

Now, with all of these new combinations, it isn't "just" the A and AA cars, it'll go way down into the middle of the pack, as far as the G cars, maybe lower. The economy is in the tank, and it's okay to make $50K cars obsolete? No, it is not, and it would not be even if the economy was not in the tank. It is completely absurd, and unacceptable.

And we should have at least some control over what NHRA does. NHRA operates as a non profit organization that is supposed to be run by/for its members, according to the charter. So the members should have some control over what happens but they do not. Honestly, NHRA should be forced to relinquish their non profit status and pay massive taxes like the rest of the for profit corporations if they are going to run roughshod over their members.

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

442 olds. it seems like a red olds 442 from Michigan runs pretty fair. I told your Dad last year who could build you guys motors that would run. I spend a lot of time and money on my stuff trying to make it run fast. I just don.t like the idea of purpose built factory race cars that don't have a vin number and were never street legal, to say nothing of their bogus horsepower ratings being able to race in Stock. If I'm a half a second faster than you one of those new challengers would be a second faster. Just take a look at the specs on the 305hp hemi.

Time, money, a good combo, real testing. That all enters into it. There are some people that have more runs on their oil in the crankcase than we have on our hone job. We pulled the engine back out to dyno test and try things just to see if we could compete. It is fun for us. We don't have the time to run for points. I figure skipping one race funded our dyno session. Some might choose to go to the race and risk getting beat by a fresher or more competitive car. We missed out on an extra race. That is the beauty of the choices. We all have them. Trying different engines to see what is more competitive is part of it too. We have run a 283 220 hp 327 275 hp and a 327 350 hp in our car. We still get our butts kicked in the 283 at times, but it is still a fun and competitive combo. It requires some maintanance though. I can't speak for any Olds combo like Daryl's or Kaekel's, but in ours, if we stopped testing, we would be no where close. Even at that I have been pounded on by the likes of Tony Hernandez and Steve Brack. I am close enough to be competitive only because we continually test and try to improve. If we would have stopped testing 5 years ago, we would be at least .5 tenths off of them too. (instead of .10-.15)

I don't know what to think about the new cars. I love the involvement, I just think that NHRA and the automakers could get what they need without dropping them in to the mix like they did. It isn't the first time, this just seems a bit extreme. I have to wonder how many cars will actually compete. I would think Indy runs the risk of being the ultimate dog and pony show for those cars if the factors work out the way the seem to. That would be a shame. Maybe there ought to be a teardown money benefit to at least line em up in the barn. ( LOL)

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=james schaechter; Maybe there ought to be a teardown money benefit to at least line em up in the barn. ( LOL)[/QUOTE]

Jim.....What bwould be the point? The "IVORY TOWER" guy would over ride any decision that the tech guys would have anyway. Besides that....why would the new combos have to do any current stocker "TRICKS" when they have such a low HP factor to begin with unless some of the owners have more ego than brains????

[james schaechter]

LOL probably nothing other than to see if they can take them apart at the track. I remember seeing Larry Morgan go nuts at Indy with his Prostock car. He pulled out his wallet and grabbed his crew guy's wallets and said he would protest the entire qualified field. NHRA didn't like that approach either...

[442OLDS]

As far as these new combos go,I saw a comment in an earlier post that made the most sense of all.


"Just get out there and do the best you can with what you have and have fun."