Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? - Page 2

Mark Markow · 06-14-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CBS

Mike....Do you know what you're talking about....

The drive by wire is a negative ...not a positive....

Larry,

Sorry I missed you this weekend....I think you are losing too much sleep over this....

They can probably do a special Pink CJ for you ya know....lol

can you explain why it would be a negative? it seems to me being able to launch say a new mustang with limited traction at say 50% throttle, and ramp it to full on as traction allows, would be far from a negative. also i would think it would be simple enough to take a factory abs sensor that monitors wheels speed , and use it to have some sort of traction control.

Larry Hill · 06-14-2011, 09:51 PM

Drive by wire is traction control!

If your foot is on the floor the throttle should be wide open. Yes the computer can adjust fuel and timing but should not be able to adjust throttle going down the track. Let the driver do all adjustments to the throttle position during the run.

Solution is have a cable from accelerator pedal to throttle shaft and a throttle position sensor sending info to the computer. If the computer controls the throttle that is traction control.

Drive by wire and the computer controlled throttle gives the racer the the unfair advantage of run tracing. Put a previous run in the computer tell it to trace and the run should be traceable to .002 of a second.

Gps; I overheard a lady's voice in a new race car radio "Arrive at destination in 1320 feet, time of arival 9.582 seconds".

As they say in the movies "Follow the money"

Have you seen a Ford spin lately?

Why are the governing bodies of this sport allowing the new cars to have such an unfair advantage in eliminations?

Jeff Teuton · 06-14-2011, 10:00 PM

I got a new drive by wire system. I use a throttle cable, but we limit it to 70 or 80 or so %, but if I spin the tires, I pull this wire and open the throttle all the way and try to make it up. Comes out right under the tach and looks like a coat hanger. I might sell the patent to Lokar. I am developing a solenoid to pull it if the sensor detect the wheel spin, so I don't have to think about it. Works like this; If the rpm goes up faster than .03598 nanoseconds, the solenoid kicks in and pulls the throttle open. However if the rpm goes up only .02985 nanoseconds, then the throttle opens an additional 10%, and does not go to WOT only making up what I lose. I have a timer for the first 8.692 ft, and it can determine if the additional throttle is needed.

Ed Wright · 06-14-2011, 10:03 PM

Drinkin that s**t again, ain't ya Jeff? LMAO

Jeff Teuton · 06-14-2011, 10:24 PM

I have to drink that stuff to invent this stuff. I got a bottle of Grey Goose Orange going to Bristol along with fresh oranges for that slice that calms it down. I need someone staying at a hotel to bring me some ice maker ice. Much better than icemaker ice in the camper. Ice maker ice from the freezer picks up too many odors, but drink ice is not frozen nearly as hard, and it melts at a faster rate, therefore loosing the odors early before it can affect the drink. And it needs no cable. It loses the odor in .049876 miliseconds.

Jeff Teuton · 06-14-2011, 10:26 PM

If we don't have any other technical subjects, then I'm going to bed as the 4 AM departure comes early.

Ed Wright · 06-14-2011, 10:43 PM

Good luck Jeff!

Charley Downing · 06-15-2011, 07:03 AM

Larry do a little more research before you post. Your not helping your cause. The ford factory fly by wire system cannot be changed while going down the track. If you start a run 70% throttle you end a run 70% throttle. Drive by wire is not traction control in drag racing. Yes you could cheat using fly by wire, but you can also cheat using a carburetor and a home made MSD box. So what is your point? If you think new cars are the only thing holding you back from winning race's build one. Then you can have that unfair advantage and all that prize money.

Fords don't spin anyway.

Mike Fuller · 06-15-2011, 07:15 AM

Charley, how can a car that runs 9.50 and a car that runs 10.60 have the same 60 foot time if they don't vary or control (gain) the throttle opening during the run?

Larry Hill · 06-15-2011, 07:51 AM

800 hp, 600ft/lbs torque, 42% rear weight, 9" tires, hot track, and no spin.

Its just a physics problem!

06-14-2011, 09:51 PM	#12
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,919 Liked 10,678 Times in 2,221 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Drive by wire is traction control! If your foot is on the floor the throttle should be wide open. Yes the computer can adjust fuel and timing but should not be able to adjust throttle going down the track. Let the driver do all adjustments to the throttle position during the run. Solution is have a cable from accelerator pedal to throttle shaft and a throttle position sensor sending info to the computer. If the computer controls the throttle that is traction control. Drive by wire and the computer controlled throttle gives the racer the the unfair advantage of run tracing. Put a previous run in the computer tell it to trace and the run should be traceable to .002 of a second. Gps; I overheard a lady's voice in a new race car radio "Arrive at destination in 1320 feet, time of arival 9.582 seconds". As they say in the movies "Follow the money" Have you seen a Ford spin lately? Why are the governing bodies of this sport allowing the new cars to have such an unfair advantage in eliminations? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

06-14-2011, 10:00 PM	#13
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? I got a new drive by wire system. I use a throttle cable, but we limit it to 70 or 80 or so %, but if I spin the tires, I pull this wire and open the throttle all the way and try to make it up. Comes out right under the tach and looks like a coat hanger. I might sell the patent to Lokar. I am developing a solenoid to pull it if the sensor detect the wheel spin, so I don't have to think about it. Works like this; If the rpm goes up faster than .03598 nanoseconds, the solenoid kicks in and pulls the throttle open. However if the rpm goes up only .02985 nanoseconds, then the throttle opens an additional 10%, and does not go to WOT only making up what I lose. I have a timer for the first 8.692 ft, and it can determine if the additional throttle is needed. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-14-2011, 10:03 PM	#14
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Drinkin that s**t again, ain't ya Jeff? LMAO __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

06-14-2011, 10:24 PM	#15
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? I have to drink that stuff to invent this stuff. I got a bottle of Grey Goose Orange going to Bristol along with fresh oranges for that slice that calms it down. I need someone staying at a hotel to bring me some ice maker ice. Much better than icemaker ice in the camper. Ice maker ice from the freezer picks up too many odors, but drink ice is not frozen nearly as hard, and it melts at a faster rate, therefore loosing the odors early before it can affect the drink. And it needs no cable. It loses the odor in .049876 miliseconds. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-14-2011, 10:26 PM	#16
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? If we don't have any other technical subjects, then I'm going to bed as the 4 AM departure comes early. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-14-2011, 10:43 PM	#17
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Good luck Jeff! __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

06-15-2011, 07:03 AM	#18
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 632 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Larry do a little more research before you post. Your not helping your cause. The ford factory fly by wire system cannot be changed while going down the track. If you start a run 70% throttle you end a run 70% throttle. Drive by wire is not traction control in drag racing. Yes you could cheat using fly by wire, but you can also cheat using a carburetor and a home made MSD box. So what is your point? If you think new cars are the only thing holding you back from winning race's build one. Then you can have that unfair advantage and all that prize money. Fords don't spin anyway. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 06-15-2011 at 07:36 AM.

06-15-2011, 07:15 AM	#19
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 947 Likes: 551 Liked 192 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Charley, how can a car that runs 9.50 and a car that runs 10.60 have the same 60 foot time if they don't vary or control (gain) the throttle opening during the run? __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK

06-15-2011, 07:51 AM	#20
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,919 Liked 10,678 Times in 2,221 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? 800 hp, 600ft/lbs torque, 42% rear weight, 9" tires, hot track, and no spin. Its just a physics problem! __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817