No AHFS for the stock factory showdown?

[Mickey Whaley]

Why not?

[C and W Racing]

None of them are going to go far enough under.
The quickest runs ever have been in the 8.90 range, and now those same cars have to add 300 lbs.
Chuck

[Mike Carr]

And, if anything, the runs could be slow enough to bring the average down where they won't get hurt at Year End AHFS. And, though not likely, make them show slow enough (on a 9.90 Index) to qualify for a reduction (wouldn't THAT be a joke?).

Plus, it's not a "real" class (FS/S) in NHRA. Much like when Division 1 had T/Stk and Jr/Stk (not real classes, so no automatic HP for a -1.50 run several years ago).

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

None of them are going to go far enough under.
The quickest runs ever have been in the 8.90 range, and now those same cars have to add 300 lbs.
Chuck

Most of the fast guys have been near max weight for some time. Adding a little more isn't going to kill them. It won't happen at Indy, but I know of one person that has run 8.89 at the Factory Showdown weight. No AHFS for this race within a race doesn't make sense to me. Aren't they going to race these cars in the same configuration in the eliminator?

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Most of the fast guys have been near max weight for some time. Adding a little more isn't going to kill them. It won't happen at Indy, but I know of one person that has run 8.89 at the Factory Showdown weight. No AHFS for this race within a race doesn't make sense to me. Aren't they going to race these cars in the same configuration in the eliminator?

I think they go back to the legal weight for each alpha-class when they run the eliminator, at least that was my understanding.

Lew

[Andys dad]

You guys don't get it - it is a new stock eliminator class they can not run anything else

That simple

Believe me I know

Ron

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

You guys don't get it - it is a new stock eliminator class they can not run anything else

That simple

Believe me I know

Ron

Ron,

I am not clear on a couple of things. Do they qualify off the 9.90 index for both the Showdown and Stock eliminations? I thought that qualifying for one was the same as qualifying for the other. Is the FSS completely separate from Stock, in qualifying terms I mean. Ron, I believe you know what you are talking about. If you can, please explain it for me so I have a clue.

Steve

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Ron,

I am not clear on a couple of things. Do they qualify off the 9.90 index for both the Showdown and Stock eliminations? I thought that qualifying for one was the same as qualifying for the other. Is the FSS completely separate from Stock, in qualifying terms I mean. Ron, I believe you know what you are talking about. If you can, please explain it for me so I have a clue.

Steve

Yes they are just going to have to get into the stock eliminator field with how far under the 9.90 index they can go - it is not really a race with in a race - it is class eliminations for FSS - I just posted in the other thread - if Joeseph is right with the .73 under to get in stock eliminator - it will take a 9.17 from an FSS car - I personally think there are no dodges which can do that in INDY air - the CJs - well that is a different story - Butner went 9.11 this morning at BG and he was more than likely at the FSS weight or perhaps even over the required 3675 - Helms in a three speed in SS/DA only went 9.26 with a minimum of 3545 (only 450 hp in SS) - so he could be a little lighter (3475) - but he has a 3spd - which is not legal in FSS or stock

Ron

[Lew Silverman]

Well it's clear as mud to me..................

All the "new" cars that want to will run the FSS class at the stated weight per engine size/induction type. .400 Pro-tree, 9.90 index, no AHFS in effect.

After Class Eliminations are over, all of the FSS competitor's who make the 128 car cut, can qualify at the stated FSS weights, .500 Full tree, 9.90 index with the AHFS IN effect, against all the other vehicles entered/qualified, including the other "new" cars, in their respective class, who didn't run the FSS.

Am I correct so far?

Lew

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman

Well it's clear as mud to me..................

All the "new" cars that want to will run the FSS class at the stated weight per engine size/induction type. .400 Pro-tree, 9.90 index, no AHFS in effect.

After Class Eliminations are over, all of the FSS competitor's who make the 128 car cut, can qualify at the stated FSS weights, .500 Full tree, 9.90 index with the AHFS IN effect, against all the other vehicles entered/qualified, including the other "new" cars, in their respective class, who didn't run the FSS.

Am I correct so far?

Lew

Not quite - no AHFS during the eliminator for these cars because they do not run off of HP and the weight breaks would make it had to calculate