Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by john ancona

I still seem to be hearing the same story about flattened cams ,and ruined lifters form many
along with engines that have been ruined , so it's not just two of us supporting that something be done

Umm, roller lifters break too!

[1347]

This roller cam thing is like beating a dead horse.
There are plenty of racers that are having success with their solid cams. Using roller cams will not help the class at all. Call the cam company of your choice and tell them you want a roller lobe for your 450 lift application. I know someone with a foxbody that cam stock with a hydraulic roller and wanted to upgrade to a solid roller. He was told no lobes are available and it would be alot of money to design a lobe to use. By the time he was done, it was gonna be 3k to put one in the engine. I'm surprised some of you are gonna spend more time trying to lobby for a roller cam instead of just putting a solid cam in.

There will be 150 cars at Indy in stock, and there are more than 45 with solid cams. The 30% number is fake news!

[Bill Grubbs]

Originally Posted by john ancona

Suggestions are what is needed for sure ,I am not going to speak for Terry or any others,
I have said in the past on here the reasons as to why a change is needed , for my self I have been racing NHRA for 50 plus years now like many of my friends have, I still seem to be hearing the same story about flattened cams ,and ruined lifters form many
along with engines that have been ruined , so it's not just two of us supporting that something be done

Not calling you out, but John you don't speak for me either.
JMHO...Keep Stock...Stock!
While we cannot undo past changes... we do have the ability to stop future changes!
As far as lifters are concerned, we toasted a SS engine first rnd of qualifying at Denver. We had a lifter go bad and take out a camshaft. The full extent of the damage has yet to be determined. At best it is a lifter, a reground cam, and a pushrod. At worst...we shall see.

This was a $$$$ lifter. **** Happens. We have not had a stocker lifter go bad since 2007 (knock, knock, knock...knock on wood) and that was a Schubeck lifter which exploded on startup. We have now had two roller lifters go bad in the last 5 years. If your having lifter issues, then fix the issue...don't change the rules! We found our issue for the first SS failure...it was an issue put in place by a now closed engine builder in the Houston, Texas area. The current issue appears to me to be a bearing failure. we will determine whether it is a material failure, or if the failure was caused by some other issue within the engine. Either way, I have complete confidence any future failure will not be for the same reason.

I do not believe in the concept of "One person ****s their pants...everybody wears diapers!"

[1347]

We need Bubskis input on this rule change proposal!!!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Bill Grubbs

I do not believe in the concept of "One person ****s their pants...everybody wears diapers!"

Bill! Why do you have to keep bringing that up! I TOLD you it was an accident!

[Stan Weiss]

When a roller lifter that has roller and not a bushing breaks it can get very expensive. Also rollers increase the lifter bore side load and some old blocks may have a problem with breaking lifter bores.


Stan

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Bill Grubbs

Not calling you out, but John you don't speak for me either.
JMHO...Keep Stock...Stock!
While we cannot undo past changes... we do have the ability to stop future changes!
As far as lifters are concerned, we toasted a SS engine first rnd of qualifying at Denver. We had a lifter go bad and take out a camshaft. The full extent of the damage has yet to be determined. At best it is a lifter, a reground cam, and a pushrod. At worst...we shall see.

This was a $$$$ lifter. **** Happens. We have not had a stocker lifter go bad since 2007 (knock, knock, knock...knock on wood) and that was a Schubeck lifter which exploded on startup. We have now had two roller lifters go bad in the last 5 years. If your having lifter issues, then fix the issue...don't change the rules! We found our issue for the first SS failure...it was an issue put in place by a now closed engine builder in the Houston, Texas area. The current issue appears to me to be a bearing failure. we will determine whether it is a material failure, or if the failure was caused by some other issue within the engine. Either way, I have complete confidence any future failure will not be for the same reason.

I do not believe in the concept of "One person ****s their pants...everybody wears diapers!"

Some how you ,and others think I am speaking for all of Stock Eliminator when in fact as I said on the site many times there are those of us in my circle of friends of witch you and others last time I checked are not included , look I run stock ,and super stock
so there is no need to say I am trying to change Stock as I am in the crowed that voiced my opinion many times over the years right to NHRA at Pomona in person with many others about all the changes over many years with that said ,I have yet to hear any body say oh we will remove any of the changes on my car up to this point ,but there are those on here that are quick to say keep Stock Stock that have all the changes on there cars

[melvin wellman]

I know this is no help. But back around 1981 McCandless was selling the cam dynamics cheater cam for 25 bucks. I got one and some 40 dollar lifters from the local auto parts store. This was in a 440 and it really woke that thing up. I know things need to evolve, but that was a fun experience with no drawbacks. I ran that thing for a long time and never had any wear issues. Like I said, no help, just seemed a bit simpler at the time.

[Doug Hoven]

I know this won’t happen either, but what about putting some sort of valve spring pressure rule into place? Maybe if one didn’t have to, or wasn’t allowed to, run so much spring pressure to keep their valvetrain under control with a radical cam lobe , they won’t wear out camshafts and lifters every other season.

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by 1347

This roller cam thing is like beating a dead horse.
There are plenty of racers that are having success with their solid cams. Using roller cams will not help the class at all. Call the cam company of your choice and tell them you want a roller lobe for your 450 lift application. I know someone with a foxbody that cam stock with a hydraulic roller and wanted to upgrade to a solid roller. He was told no lobes are available and it would be alot of money to design a lobe to use. By the time he was done, it was gonna be 3k to put one in the engine. I'm surprised some of you are gonna spend more time trying to lobby for a roller cam instead of just putting a solid cam in.

There will be 150 cars at Indy in stock, and there are more than 45 with solid cams. The 30% number is fake news!

That's cheap compared to $2200 for tappet lifters, $1200 billet cam, and EVERYTIME you start it wondering if this is the run it eats a lifter and cam up on. Maybe 40% is a better number. Still a big disadvantage running tappet over the newer stuff and if you don't wanna run it no one is forcing you to.