2008 Mid Year Stock, Super Stock Horsepower Adjustments Announced

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by JD Smith

JIM, that is a good question and that is why the AHFS is flawed, very flawed....why are HP factors not the same regardless of which body style or model when they all have the identical motor....

This could possibly be the NAIL that seals the B-BODY coffin!!!

[Bryan Worner]

Mr. Silveus........yes I do agree with you the system is outdated and enormous gains have been made......but don't go on here saying I have had the opportunities to discuss this at the track and didn't!!! Do you not remember both of us talking to you at length a few years ago at the gators when you first got this combo??? I remember it vividly since we were pitted right next to each other!

It seems both of us, Angelo and Mark Faul have all done everything we could to protect from getting HP! Believe me, Byron, Angelo and I could have bombed the combo on numerous occasions.....but didn't! Because we value the combo we have and want to be able to use it to our advantage when we have to. But what is the sense if we have someone in a class by himself who continually goes 1.20 under at national events???

Sorry if I offended you Jerry, I do respect you and your racing family! But I am still trying to figure out why this happened!! I know 4 hp will not slow you down that much and I hope you are still going to try to protect the combination as you told us you would. Since you made the statement you're going to let your car do the talking.......it doesn't seem like you care.

Bryan



Bryan

[Jim Cimarolli]

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

This could possibly be the NAIL that seals the B-BODY coffin!!!

Frank, from what I thought it was supposed to be last week was wheelbase, at least that was the answer we got as to why the Chevelle was lumped in with the Camaro and the Nova. The Camaro being 108, Nova 111, and the Chevelle 112. What is the difference in the wheelbase of the Chrysler B and E body cars?

Thanks,

[X-TECH MAN]

116 inch B bodies, 108 and 110 for E bodies.

[X-TECH MAN]

I forgot.....Dodge B body is 117 inch. Its been awhile.

[Ron Ortiz]

Bryan Worner, posted.
"It seems both of us, Angelo and Mark Faul have all done everything we could to protect from getting HP! Believe me, Byron, Angelo and I could have bombed the combo on numerous occasions.....but didn't! Because we value the combo we have and want to be able to use it to our advantage when we have to. But what is the sense if we have someone in a class by himself who continually goes 1.20 under at national events??? "

Sounds like you, Byron, Angelo, Mark, are all capable of bombing the combo. Who is the bad boy in your class, any of you, Mr. Silveus, or some other combo?

Why don't you petition to remove the trigger so you can run your car the way it should be run. I'm tired of hearing about people that say they can go so far under but won't because they are afraid of being hit with HP. PERFORMANCE BASED CATEGORY, my ***. Bunch of people laying low and saying it's strategy, or they're protecting their combo. Would'nt it be nice just to let it all hang out.

REMOVE THE TRIGGER

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Go fast

[JD Smith]

REMOVE THE TRIGGER

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Go fast[/QUOTE]


Ron.....I second that, all in favor, say......'EYE'

[55 Chevy]

Absolutely yes,remove the trigger.Let them run hard & add/remove horsepower as required.

"Eye" from this camp!

Lowering the indexes will NOT solve this problem.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Bryan Worner, posted.
"It seems both of us, Angelo and Mark Faul have all done everything we could to protect from getting HP! Believe me, Byron, Angelo and I could have bombed the combo on numerous occasions.....but didn't! Because we value the combo we have and want to be able to use it to our advantage when we have to. But what is the sense if we have someone in a class by himself who continually goes 1.20 under at national events??? "

Sounds like you, Byron, Angelo, Mark, are all capable of bombing the combo. Who is the bad boy in your class, any of you, Mr. Silveus, or some other combo?

Why don't you petition to remove the trigger so you can run your car the way it should be run. I'm tired of hearing about people that say they can go so far under but won't because they are afraid of being hit with HP. PERFORMANCE BASED CATEGORY, my ***. Bunch of people laying low and saying it's strategy, or they're protecting their combo. Would'nt it be nice just to let it all hang out.

REMOVE THE TRIGGER

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Go fast

Ron, the problem is the class average. I doubt that our overall engine average was a second under.....but since the review was triggered in one class, and that single class average was more than 1 second under in GT, we got 4 in GT only. It has been petitioned by a few racers that I know of to get rid of the class average, but I guess that didn't happen.

My feeling is we do need a trigger to eventually even combos out.....but like I said before, only counting national events isn't right because you penalize those who race often more than those who fly, but only go to a few nationals a year.

Like most things in life.....there is no simple solution!

[Jim Cimarolli]

The class average darn sure needs to go! Bunch of bs...

Jim