NHRA Fastest 128 cars

[Jeff Foster]

Want to know where this came from? ask your driver addvisory committe members for stock and super stock they know who.

[Chad Rhodes]

If you single for class, and you aren't fast, it shouldn't guarantee you a spot in the show. Now if you WIN class, meaning you had to race someone then you should be in the show. But just because your rental car will run .5 under in Q/FS shouldn't let you bump out the guy who had to run Class vs 8 other cars and runner upped in it ( yes i realize that in theory if you runner up class vs 8 cars you should be fast enough on time).

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

If you single for class, and you aren't fast, it shouldn't guarantee you a spot in the show. Now if you WIN class, meaning you had to race someone then you should be in the show. But just because your rental car will run .5 under in Q/FS shouldn't let you bump out the guy who had to run Class vs 8 other cars and runner upped in it ( yes i realize that in theory if you runner up class vs 8 cars you should be fast enough on time).

There are no .5 under rental cars and there is no Q/FS. Quit blowing smoke if you want to keep this discussion rational.
Oh, and come down off your double a barstool . (AA/BS)

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

There are no .5 under rental cars and there is no Q/FS. Quit blowing smoke if you want to keep this discussion rational.
Oh, and come down off your double a barstool . (AA/BS)

Mark, I was being facetious to make a point. Sorry if that went over your head. I am well aware there are no .5 under rental cars, and there is no Q/FS. My point was that some of the front wheel drive cars go a pretty good bit under with no real work, and that picking an obsucre class to avoid a heads up is fine, but you shouldn't be rewarded for NOT racing your way in. The guy who wins G/SA will probably have to run 3-4 rounds of class, thats tough. The guy with a .501 under W/S that runs solo gets to bump a reasonably quick car out of the field? For what? Showing up, thats what. If anything it CHEAPENS the G/SA guys win. And I have no idea what "double a barstool" you are talking about.


Besides Mark, why are you bitching? Weren't you "Top Gun" last year?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Mark, I was being facetious to make a point. Sorry if that went over your head. I am well aware there are no .5 under rental cars, and there is no Q/FS. My point was that some of the front wheel drive cars go a pretty good bit under with no real work, and that picking an obsucre class to avoid a heads up is fine, but you shouldn't be rewarded for NOT racing your way in. The guy who wins G/SA will probably have to run 3-4 rounds of class, thats tough. The guy with a .501 under W/S that runs solo gets to bump a reasonably quick car out of the field? For what? Showing up, thats what. If anything it CHEAPENS the G/SA guys win. And I have no idea what "double a barstool" you are talking about.


Besides Mark, why are you bitching? Weren't you "Top Gun" last year?

Chad, No ,it wasn't over my head . I got your point right away. You were using this thread to bash higher index cars, and you're still doing it.
There's several reasons why there are few W/Stockers. The main one is,you don't have to win class to get in an eliminator anymore. Now you can't even get in at Indy anymore with a class win.
( A 54 year tradition)


Let's look at this from another perspective:
June 2009 , Joe Fonebone wants to enter his U/SA Shelby at Indy. There are already 2 other cars entered in U/SA . Joe thinks he can run with the other cars,but probably can't qualify by ET. He's still waiting on the paperwork for his .527 lift V6 cam, but he goes ahead and enters
One of the other cars withdraws due to business reasons, brought on by the Obama tax hikes.
The third car blows up at Bowling Green . Joe gets to Indy and what do you know,he's the only one in U/SA. Joe singles and runs .99 under and wins class.
Joe should be in the eliminator. (period)


Yeah, my current car would get in the eliminator either way, but I really am an open trailer kinda guy at heart.

[Ron Ortiz]

Several years ago when you entered Indy you did not know who else had entered. You showed up and was ready to run who you had to run and hope that luck went your way. If no one was in your class, great, you are going to qualify for the big show. If there was another competitor in your class, well may the best person win and qualify for the big show. The Internet has brought information to our hands instantaneously. We know who has entered and in what class, and what their previous times have been in different weather conditions. We are well informed about the current situations. But it still is Indy and you never know who is going to change classes. I really do not believe that there are individuals that sit there and wait to see what class has no one in it and then attempt to enter in that class for the sake of being a qualfied entrant one month before the race. If there is, there might be one or two at the most, but hey it is a 128 car field, it is not going to impact it that much. Alot of combos have the luxury of being able to run different classes. Do these people change their classes to avoid certain individuals that are capable of out running them. Is not this the same principal of choosing a less populated class to avoid competition.
Quit blaming people for running obscure classes with the intent of just to qualify for Indy and win class when there are numerous cars capable of running multiple classes and changing their class for better positioning. If you really want to be a qualified entrant just put a stick in the car, there are not as many G/S cars as there is G/SA cars.(insert any letter designation)
Indy should be a CLASS winner qualified field and the remaining fastest entries as it was before. Somebody changed this rule out of the blue, who, why? Sounds like alot of people that run in a highly populated class.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA bored with boards.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Chad, No ,it wasn't over my head . I got your point right away. You were using this thread to bash higher index cars, and you're still doing it.
There's several reasons why there are few W/Stockers. The main one is,you don't have to win class to get in an eliminator anymore. Now you can't even get in at Indy anymore with a class win.
( A 54 year tradition)


Let's look at this from another perspective:
June 2009 , Joe Fonebone wants to enter his U/SA Shelby at Indy. There are already 2 other cars entered in U/SA . Joe thinks he can run with the other cars,but probably can't qualify by ET. He's still waiting on the paperwork for his .527 lift V6 cam, but he goes ahead and enters
One of the other cars withdraws due to business reasons, brought on by the Obama tax hikes.
The third car blows up at Bowling Green . Joe gets to Indy and what do you know,he's the only one in U/SA. Joe singles and runs .99 under and wins class.
Joe should be in the eliminator. (period)


Yeah, my current car would get in the eliminator either way, but I really am an open trailer kinda guy at heart.

Mark, I really don't care what class someone runs. U/SA, C/FS. or AA/SA. Its great to see all the variety. I was not intentionally picking on the slower index cars, but that is kinda where you find alot of the 1 car to a class situation. Hell if I was the only AA/SA car at Indy, I'd still probably be going home with the motor thats in the car right now. I could win class, but probably can't got the -.9 under that it will probably take to make the field.

And yes Ed, I have worked on a FWD car before, and yes I'd rather pull an LS-1and trans out of an F-body through the hood with a come-a-long. I can appreciate making anything fast, and have tremendous respect for anyone who had a 1.00+ under car. I just don't think a TURD that solos for class should bump a guy that may have lost a close class race and run ,9 under. And I don't care if that class is AA/SA or D/FS

[Ken Miele]

Chad, your beating a dead horse. Its a classic case of the old vs new. I'm kinda closer to the old days, but realize change will happen, and for the most part it is good.

The older timers will soon be gone, including me. Making class racing simpler is not only wise, but it is a necessity if it is to survive.

Is class racing like it use to be, no, but nothing is what it use to be. Life is dynamic and class racing is just a part it. If the rules make you unhappy then you have only 2 choices. Voice your opinion and hope things will change, or find another place to race.

The bump in deal was long over due. Just because its a tradition does not make it equitable.

And contrary to others, I do not believe you have a bias toward slower class cars. Hell I love them, I wish there were more of them.

[Chuck Beach]

Yes you can get a $3500.00 car and go .5 under. Look at #10 qualifier, he drove it to the race on Saturday.

1 4 B/FIA Nick Folk, Durand IL, '99 Camaro 10.457 11.70 -1.243
2 1117 B/FIA Wayne Totaro, Baltimore MD, '02 Firebird 10.524 11.70 -1.176
3 3340 G/SA Chuck Beach, Delaware OH, '68 Barracuda 11.148 12.30 -1.152
4 3474 G/CM Bob Marshall, Columbus OH, '73 Dart 10.887 11.85 -0.963
5 1169 A/FIA Bo Kenney, Manassas VA, '01 Firebird 10.345 11.30 -0.955
6 1922 B/FIA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Camaro 10.745 11.70 -0.955
7 9510 I/CM Scott Macy, Randleman NC, '78 Volare 11.207 12.15 -0.943
8 3118 A/SA Jim Bailey, Mantua OH, '63 Dodge 330 10.433 11.35 -0.917
9 313 D/PS Jeff Ross, Barton OH, '72 Barracuda 12.187 13.10 -0.913

10 1145 HF/SA Wild Bill Collett, Grafton WV, '88 LeSabre 17.700 18.60 -0.900

11 5274 B/FI Brent Darroch, Monaca PA, '94 Camaro 10.757 11.65 -0.893
12 3473 G/CM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '73 Dart 10.972 11.85 -0.878
13 1 C/SA Anthony Bertozzi, Ashland VA, '69 Camaro 10.851 11.70 -0.849
14 2 I/CM Michael Beard, Seagrove NC, '80 Volare 11.312 12.15 -0.838
15 368 I/S Denny Hillman, Indianapolis IN, '67 Camaro 11.682 12.50 -0.818
16 3421 B/FIA Dick Kincaid, Canton OH, '98 Firebird 10.889 11.70 -0.811
17 1128 B/FIA Wallace Dent Jr., Charlotte Hall MD, '98 C 10.906 11.70 -0.794
18 1036 H/SA Kevin Anderson, New Oxford PA, '69 Camaro 11.714 12.45 -0.736
19 3423 G/SA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '68 Camaro 11.565 12.30 -0.735
20 1189 B/SA Wes McCracken, Williamsport PA, '70 Camaro 10.825 11.55 -0.725
21 7 B/CM Aaron Allison, Grand Blanc MI, '76 Vega 10.385 11.10 -0.715
22 1676 G/FIA Mick Klacik, Monaca PA, '87 Mustang 12.443 13.15 -0.707
23 113 C/SA John Leach, Baltimore MD, '69 Roadrunner 11.021 11.70 -0.679
24 116 H/CM Terry Knott, Butler PA, '73 Dart 11.328 12.00 -0.672
25 338 A/CM Alex Miller, Mansfield OH, '68 Camaro 10.286 10.95 -0.664
26 504 H/FIA David Mercer, Benton IL, '89 Mustang 12.788 13.45 -0.662
27 5043 C/PS Kim Gallagher, Rillton Pa, '71 Demon 12.137 12.75 -0.613
28 3425 H/FIA Steve Klacik, Aliquippa PA, '88 Mustang 12.845 13.45 -0.605
29 105 J/SA Mike Gardner, Catlett VA, '85 Camaro 12.152 12.75 -0.598
30 1442 F/SA Mark Capellupo, Penfield NY, '70 4-4-2 11.558 12.15 -0.592
31 1029 J/S Jim Henderson, Pittsburgh PA, '65 Malibu 12.089 12.65 -0.561
32 1723 H/SA Randy Butter, Pittsburgh PA, '69 Camaro 11.892 12.45 -0.558
33 312 A/FCM Zac Ross, Barton OH, '00 Avenger 11.028 11.55 -0.522
34 1045 S/GTB Jeffrey Gardiner, Waldorf MD, '86 Cutlass 11.129 11.65 -0.521
35 1416 D/SA Bart Kilraine, Carrolltown PA, '69 Cougar 11.378 11.85 -0.472
36 1366 H/CM Eddie Bolton, Mechanicsville MD, '73 Dart 11.570 12.00 -0.430
37 1010 E/CM Anthony Platania, Rochester NY, '69 Nova 11.127 11.55 -0.423
38 3972 S/GTF Bob Shieff, Chardon OH, '80 Aspen 12.450 12.85 -0.400
39 1648 F/CM Mike Hayek, W. Seneca NY, '79 Malibu Wgn 11.321 11.70 -0.379
40 399 I/CM Lindell Hilling, Troy IL, '55 Bel Air 11.790 12.15 -0.360
41 1529 K/CM Chris Bowman, Grafton WV, '84 Mustang 12.191 12.45 -0.259
42 3438 AA/SA Harley Day, Dellroy OH, '64 Savoy 10.904 11.15 -0.246
43 956 E/FIA Danny Waters Jr., LaGrange NC, '90 Camaro 12.377 12.60 -0.223
44 1112 A/SA Britt Mizia, Carnegie PA, '63 Savoy 11.148 11.35 -0.202
45 360 S/GTE Laverne Eberst, Chardon OH, '80 Volare 12.307 12.50 -0.193
46 1551 A/PS Phil Baldacchino, Hammersley Fork PA, '63 11.912 12.05 -0.138
47 3377 I/SA Joe Marcinowski, N. Royalton OH, '78 Camaro12.464 12.60 -0.136
48 1695 E/CM Dave Erny, Alden NY, '67 Camaro 11.415 11.55 -0.135
49 1059 D/S Terry Confer, Mill Hall PA, '67 Camaro 11.670 11.80 -0.130
50 1882 R/SA Jason Weaver, Saxton PA, '72 Nova 14.274 14.35 -0.076
51 9 D/CM Mike Leopold, Indianapolis IN, '69 Chevelle11.387 11.40 -0.013
52 1417 H/SA Chris Kilraine, Carrolltown PA, '67 Fairla 12.441 12.45 -0.009
53 488B AA/SA Luke Bogacki, Woodville AL, '68 Nova 11.234 11.15 0.084
54 1504 D/CM George Yago, Pittsburgh PA, '86 Camaro 14.434 11.40 3.034
55 1722 A/FIA Paula Cambria, Clarence NY, '94 Camaro 28.000 11.30 16.700

Great job Wild Bill, hope to see your Hemi back at the track soon !!!

[Chad Rhodes]

But, but, but.........thats UN POSSIBLE.