where can I find the NHRA approved list of ECU's for fuel injection.

[keith ohanesian]

Tell me Frank why is traction control going to help me???? Why? WOW!!!! Instead of asking you should find out why. Learn about this stuff for your own good. Do you know where or why the Motic system was developed? Do you know who developed the original Accel or the Felpro" fast"? Apparently you don't know who built my car!!!!! Wow again!! I don't let cards fall where they may, I move them and then I move them again Frank. NHRA is a Dictatorship, it always has been you should know that from your days Frank. I'm the guy who knocks the wall down. Go ahead spend your money I'll fight for mine.. You can just stand in a line like the rest, I make my own....... And its Keith not Kieth

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Art, you heard wrong. FAST makes one with traction control, but it is a different name and color box, and they tell you it's not legal for NHRA. Besides, if you need that you have serious problems anyway. I remember David Nickens and MSD testing his pro Stock car at Baytown with traction control, and the best they could do was run the same, that or slow down. That was back when everybody was that crying Greg Anderson was using it when he had over 1/10th on everybody. They came and got Mike Edward's MSD box every time he qualified in the top half for a while. NHRA would bring them an MSD box and wiring and make you swap with them. The guy on the golf cart would drive off with this geeky looking little guy looking over the program loaded in the box they just confiscated. Nothing there. Anderson kept killing everybody for a good while. Most everybody's (at least most everybody fast) automatic cars dead hook anymore anyway. Traction control on Stockers and SS cars like we run ain't going to do a thing for you.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with trying to tune your FAST ECU. If you were closer to me I would have helped you with it. They will idle and run just fine. I work with them all the time. MSD? I often wonder if that stands for Must Soon Die. I've had some reliability problems there in the two short years I have used it.


I have never been asked what EFI system I use anyway. I use the FAST XFI, but noody has ever looked or asked. Maybe if I were faster?

There are at least three with intelligent traction control on fast's online site that I posted. I appericiate the offer of help. A couple of guys on here tried to help. And it seems like for a 4 cylinder appication the only way it would work (right?) was using batch fire. My box was sequential.
I bought the box new from them in Dec, 2005 when I finally got ready to intall it it was Mar 2008. I called fast and asked some questions. About my application. And was told " the gray box is obsolete we don't work on them anymore, and that I should toss it and get the red box xfi". And not to bother them with phone calls anymore. That's what I call great customer service. A brand new unit 2 1/2 years old, cost $2500 and don't call us anymore.
There are a lot of people out there that are using the gray boxes but the overwhelming majority are GM 8 cylinders.
As far as traction control goes I have the lowest torque of any superstocker I run the smallest tire of any superstocker. GEE I THINK I NEED TRACTION CONTROL. I'll put that on my list right after a PARACHUTE, a FULL FIRE SUIT, ONBOARD FIRE SYSTEM, a FUNNY CAR CAGE. AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF I MIGHT NEED IN A 13 SECOND CAR LOL

[Robert Pare Racing]

I am concerned with the FACT that the National Hot Rod Association would spend the time and energy to publish articles with pictures of the Ashley Force and Daniel Hood wedding in lieu of creating and POSTING the list of ECU units accepted by NHRA that they repeatedly state in the rulebooks and rules revisions of the past and the present. I'd like to be on Ashley as much as the next guy with my taste for the perverse, but come on..correct me if I am wrong, didn't NHRA hire or move into a position a person that was an "electronics guru"?..For one reason or another, I remember that on NHRA's site about a year and a half ago. If that were a fact, I believe that the person in that department would be responsible for posting, maintaining, and revising the list of accepted units from a manufacturers perspective and the competitors perspective. I love the NHRA, and have plans to race in the NHRA for the rest of my years. I was simply curious to see the list I keep reading about.

The idea of using traction control specifically in stock is retarded.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by keith ohanesian

Tell me Frank why is traction control going to help me???? Why? WOW!!!! Instead of asking you should find out why. Learn about this stuff for your own good. Do you know where or why the Motic system was developed? Do you know who developed the original Accel or the Felpro" fast"? Apparently you don't know who built my car!!!!! Wow again!! I don't let cards fall where they may, I move them and then I move them again Frank. NHRA is a Dictatorship, it always has been you should know that from your days Frank. I'm the guy who knocks the wall down. Go ahead spend your money I'll fight for mine.. You can just stand in a line like the rest, I make my own....... And its Keith not Kieth

Keith, what's your point?

If you use your imagination (and a considerable amount of time and effort) technology available today including ABS, traction control, electronic shifting valve bodies, dial in board, wireless communication, electronic fuel injection, could be used to control ET or recover ET. Nhra may not like the idea of that sort of thing.

Is the list pupose to get the racer to spend money with a given manufacturer?

Does it really matter knowing the same guy developed the Accel, Fast and Big Stuff, and Motec is from Australia?

In a previous post I stated information was sent to NHRA to get the Gen VI approved. Is that not OK with you?

Happy Holidays!!

[Pantera EFI]

NHRA: JUNE 21 2004.

" This letter will SERVE as ACCEPTANCE of the Pantera ECU-882 for the use in the
Sportsman categories of NHRA Championship Drag Racing Series"

"Regards, Eric M Lowe"

Now in the past 4 1/2 years I have sold EMS to NHRA competitors with this certification !

NO TRACTION CONTROL, no, we do not have this object.

MANY ON THE LIST PROFESS their EXPERTISE in the Traction Control field ?

NOW because my EMS is LEGAL, I AM NOT ON THE LIST ?

My REGRETS to those who compete at NHRA events !

I will start the legal work to correct the list, with my ECU-882 to be posted ON THE LIST "AGAIN".

Lance Nist, BTW,
for those who have called I will provide the NEW/OLD certification.

[Mark Lewis]

According to the new rule book the lt1 cars or any others with a distributor can't run a crank trigger ignition. Is this a misprint?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Mark Lewis

According to the new rule book the lt1 cars or any others with a distributor can't run a crank trigger ignition. Is this a misprint?

A lot of stock LT1's had a crank sensor. IMO, a crank trigger is a fine replacement for the factory sensor.


(I have seen zero performance improvement from running a crank trigger on my LT1)

[Pantera EFI]

Both the BBC (Gen-5+) AND SBC (LT-x) have crankshaft targets fitted by the OEM.

That target is a four (4) tooth wheel.
Those engines also run a "distributor", POS.

My replacement for that wheel is a new target, a 36 tooth wheel with ONE missing tooth.
The EOM sensor is also used to provide the signal to the EMS.
With this method an accurate "spark instant" is achieved.

What you are reporting is how BIG MONEY rules NHRA requiring their product implementation to be ENFORCED.
The costs are increased to the racers who are required to run inferior equipment.

Lance

[Signman]

For those interested in the legality of the Accel Gen 6 ECU below is copy of e-mail received today:

Frank,

Pat forwarded all the stuff for Gen VI ECU. Yes those are still fine.
Generally when we accept a product like ecu's the previous version and
or models are still accepted. But I will go ahead and add it to the
list. Hope you had a good holiday.

Jake Hairston
NHRA Technical Services

Hope this makes for a Happier New Year for those that are affected.

[Pantera EFI]

Today, Jake Hairston stated that the Pantera EFI ECU-882's, 422's, all versions of that family are on the "List".

He stated that a new list will soon be published.

Lance