The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal?

[Gary Smith]

1. Motor Plate Is it a genuine plate or just a large bracket?
2. Motor / Mounts moved back How was this determined? Did tech measure it?
3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal How about NHRA ruling x-member mod for pan removal? That opens up a bigger can of worms. If the mod has no weight distribution or performance gain and is disguised, it's a moot point
4. No stock wiring Show me one that does
5. No heater controls My console and HVAC controls have been removed for trans maintenance and has passed NHRA tech
6. Frame connected above the floor Again, is it blatant or disguised?
7. Incorrect seats If true I agree. Not in the spirit of the category
8. Incorrect steering column Again, I might agree, except was it fab'd or from another body type?
9. A-Frame adjustable stops Now this I can see bitching and protesting, unless he ain't setting the world on fire.

I'm being more curious than pretentious. If visible mods are clearly stated as "prohibited" in the rule book it's a sure bet it won't pass. But Like Herb says, the "stock" in these cars went out a long time ago. I'll tell you there's at least 60 things about my car that aren't "stock" but it's all legal. Class car prep is, at best, like being an illusionist. My guess is you're a stock racer, and assume you already know and understand my reasoning. If not, you miss the whole idea behind class racing.

[bill dedman]

Fred Johnston has commented that the qualifying time of Adam Kier's A/SA car was not, in fact the equivalent of a 9.95, but more like a 10.25.


Here is his qualifying time for the eighth-mile:

5 1470 A/SA Adam Keir, , '70 Nova 6.471


I don't know how to extrapolate that time to a quarter-mile equivalent, so what I did was to go to National Dragster's INDEX page and find an eighth-mile index as close as I could to the 6.471 Adam turned.

The eighth-mile index for SS/A just happens to be 6.47. Close enough, wouldn't you say?

The quarter-mile index (for that class) is 9.95.

I couldn't do any better than that. If that's wrong, I don't know why.

HOWEVER, the online computer I use, said this:

"Your 1/4 Mile ET is 10.22 seconds computed from your vehicle 1/8th ET of 6.471 seconds."

So, Fred may be a lot closer than NHRA is.........

Go figure....

Bill

[herbjr]

Who is this guy that started this thread. Someone has to know

[Jack Matyas]

# 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! !

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

# 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! !

I hadn't thought about those old Chevies for a long time until you brought it up, and now I'm trying to remember why we needed to cut the support in the first place.

Was it so you could do a cam change with the engine in the car?

[Jack Matyas]

Dan -- It was to make engine changes easy .........same as on todays newer cars -- i'd love to do it .

[GTO/GN]

I Don't remember where I found this but I have found it to be pretty acturate..
1/8 mile ET X 1.55 = 1/4 mile ET
Using this the 6.47 = 10.02

[Dave Ribeiro]

Fred & Bill,

Adam, went 10.26 or 10.27 at Maple Grove the week before... But, I do think he only had 8-10 passes on the new Car ... The Car is really a nice piece and the kid can drive ... You will have to discuss the other stuff with his dad , who has built many racecars... Remember the name, cause you will being hearing more of it...


Jack,

I thought you could cut the rad. support, but could be bolted back together for easy engine removal ???

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Who is this guy that started this thread. Someone has to know

Why? So you can have a lynch mobb go after the guy? I haven't seen the car, probably never will due to distance. I made a post some pictures would be good to see at this point.
I have a hard time believing some guy went out of his way to blacken a racers image just because he wanted to one day. If what he wrote is total BS, then he would sure look like an idiot. If however the statements are accurate, then there is a problem. And the problem is we have a rulebook and it should be enforced and 3/4 of the listed items don't appear to be in any "grey" area.
And those that taught the word "stock" and it's lack of relevancy are somewhat mindless in my opinion. "Stock" is a title. The rulebook defines Stock.

[Jesse Knapp]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Who is this guy that started this thread. Someone has to know

One of those that love to cause a stir. On the positive side it promotes intelligent conversation for the most part, something the thread starter might not have figured on. Rule book says the brace has to go through the floor. I take that to mean part of the brace is above the floorpan and part below the pan. My camaro had 2/3rds of the 2x3 brace inside the floor and 1/3rd below, or outside. Wesley told me that was fine. My car did many 6.30's and it's quarter mile was 10.0's. The 6.40s were 10.teens and twentys. Nevertheless, it's still a fast Nova.