The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? - Page 2

Jesse Knapp · 06-04-2009, 08:54 PM

Go to Drag Race Central, then the photo column, then click on 100 latest, scroll down to SREPA 1-3. Look for Adam Keir ST. Hope mine looks half as nice. A beautiful car.

stage1scott · 06-05-2009, 06:43 PM

this one??

Kenny Wigington · 06-05-2009, 06:57 PM

To me, unless you have seen the actual car, thru YOUR own eyes, not pictures, or put YOUR hands on a car, you dont have the sac to use your real name, you dont have a counting opinion on wether a car is leagl or not.
To get on the net and basically call someone out, without the above, is useless and a waste of time and bandwidth.

It's beautuiful car, and looks , by the picture, a very well built piece. Props to them ! The car , builders and the performance, evidently.

bill dedman · 06-05-2009, 09:32 PM

His eighth-mile qualifying time converts to a 9.95 quarter-mile e.t.; not bad for an A/SA car the second time out...

fredjohnston · 06-05-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

His eighth-mile qualifying time converts to a 9.95 quarter-mile e.t.; not bad for an A/SA car the second time out...

more like 10.25

Gary Smith · 06-05-2009, 11:37 PM

1. Motor Plate Is it a genuine plate or just a large bracket?
2. Motor / Mounts moved back How was this determined? Did tech measure it?
3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal How about NHRA ruling x-member mod for pan removal? That opens up a bigger can of worms. If the mod has no weight distribution or performance gain and is disguised, it's a moot point
4. No stock wiring Show me one that does
5. No heater controls My console and HVAC controls have been removed for trans maintenance and has passed NHRA tech
6. Frame connected above the floor Again, is it blatant or disguised?
7. Incorrect seats If true I agree. Not in the spirit of the category
8. Incorrect steering column Again, I might agree, except was it fab'd or from another body type?
9. A-Frame adjustable stops Now this I can see bitching and protesting, unless he ain't setting the world on fire.

I'm being more curious than pretentious. If visible mods are clearly stated as "prohibited" in the rule book it's a sure bet it won't pass. But Like Herb says, the "stock" in these cars went out a long time ago. I'll tell you there's at least 60 things about my car that aren't "stock" but it's all legal. Class car prep is, at best, like being an illusionist. My guess is you're a stock racer, and assume you already know and understand my reasoning. If not, you miss the whole idea behind class racing.

bill dedman · 06-06-2009, 01:08 AM

Fred Johnston has commented that the qualifying time of Adam Kier's A/SA car was not, in fact the equivalent of a 9.95, but more like a 10.25.

Here is his qualifying time for the eighth-mile:

5 1470 A/SA Adam Keir, , '70 Nova 6.471

I don't know how to extrapolate that time to a quarter-mile equivalent, so what I did was to go to National Dragster's INDEX page and find an eighth-mile index as close as I could to the 6.471 Adam turned.

The eighth-mile index for SS/A just happens to be 6.47. Close enough, wouldn't you say?

The quarter-mile index (for that class) is 9.95.

I couldn't do any better than that. If that's wrong, I don't know why.

HOWEVER, the online computer I use, said this:

"Your 1/4 Mile ET is 10.22 seconds computed from your vehicle 1/8th ET of 6.471 seconds."

So, Fred may be a lot closer than NHRA is.........

Go figure....

Bill

herbjr · 06-06-2009, 03:11 AM

Who is this guy that started this thread. Someone has to know

Jack Matyas · 06-06-2009, 08:41 AM

# 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! !

Dan Bennett · 06-06-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

# 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! !

I hadn't thought about those old Chevies for a long time until you brought it up, and now I'm trying to remember why we needed to cut the support in the first place.

Was it so you could do a cam change with the engine in the car?

06-04-2009, 08:54 PM	#11
Jesse Knapp Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 109 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? Go to Drag Race Central, then the photo column, then click on 100 latest, scroll down to SREPA 1-3. Look for Adam Keir ST. Hope mine looks half as nice. A beautiful car. __________________ Jesse Knapp 4899 STK, SS

06-05-2009, 06:43 PM	#12
stage1scott Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cornville Posts: 406 Likes: 1,870 Liked 108 Times in 44 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? this one?? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by stage1scott; 06-05-2009 at 07:22 PM.

06-05-2009, 06:57 PM	#13
Kenny Wigington Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cumming,Ga. USA Posts: 967 Likes: 36 Liked 60 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? To me, unless you have seen the actual car, thru YOUR own eyes, not pictures, or put YOUR hands on a car, you dont have the sac to use your real name, you dont have a counting opinion on wether a car is leagl or not. To get on the net and basically call someone out, without the above, is useless and a waste of time and bandwidth. It's beautuiful car, and looks , by the picture, a very well built piece. Props to them ! The car , builders and the performance, evidently. __________________ 2894 STK

06-05-2009, 09:32 PM	#14
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? His eighth-mile qualifying time converts to a 9.95 quarter-mile e.t.; not bad for an A/SA car the second time out... __________________ Bill

06-05-2009, 11:37 PM	#16
Gary Smith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 820 Likes: 9 Liked 132 Times in 30 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? 1. Motor Plate *Is it a genuine plate or just a large bracket?* 2. Motor / Mounts moved back *How was this determined? Did tech measure it?* 3. Radiator core support cut to allow front end removal *How about NHRA ruling x-member mod for pan removal? That opens up a bigger can of worms. If the mod has no weight distribution or performance gain and is disguised, it's a moot point* 4. No stock wiring *Show me one that does* 5. No heater controls *My console and HVAC controls have been removed for trans maintenance and has passed NHRA tech* 6. Frame connected above the floor *Again, is it blatant or disguised?* 7. Incorrect seats *If true I agree. Not in the spirit of the category* 8. Incorrect steering column *Again, I might agree, except was it fab'd or from another body type?* 9. A-Frame adjustable stops *Now this I can see bitching and protesting, unless he ain't setting the world on fire.* I'm being more curious than pretentious. If visible mods are clearly stated as "prohibited" in the rule book it's a sure bet it won't pass. But Like Herb says, the "stock" in these cars went out a long time ago. I'll tell you there's at least 60 things about my car that aren't "stock" but it's all legal. Class car prep is, at best, like being an illusionist. My guess is you're a stock racer, and assume you already know and understand my reasoning. If not, you miss the whole idea behind class racing. __________________ Gary Smith "another broke racer spectating" Last edited by Gary Smith; 06-05-2009 at 11:42 PM.

06-06-2009, 01:08 AM	#17
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? Fred Johnston has commented that the qualifying time of Adam Kier's A/SA car was not, in fact the equivalent of a 9.95, but more like a 10.25. Here is his qualifying time for the eighth-mile: 5 1470 A/SA Adam Keir, , '70 Nova 6.471 I don't know how to extrapolate that time to a quarter-mile equivalent, so what I did was to go to National Dragster's INDEX page and find an eighth-mile index as close as I could to the 6.471 Adam turned. The eighth-mile index for SS/A just happens to be 6.47. Close enough, wouldn't you say? The quarter-mile index (for that class) is 9.95. I couldn't do any better than that. If that's wrong, I don't know why. HOWEVER, the online computer I use, said this: "Your 1/4 Mile ET is 10.22 seconds computed from your vehicle 1/8th ET of 6.471 seconds." So, Fred may be a lot closer than NHRA is......... Go figure.... Bill __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 06-06-2009 at 07:34 AM.

06-06-2009, 03:11 AM	#18
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? Who is this guy that started this thread. Someone has to know

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Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,900 Likes: 401 Liked 1,847 Times in 377 Posts	Re: The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal? # 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! ! __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO