National opener in Div 6

[Tom Moock]

What if someone goes 1.40 under with no fuel check or weight check, hp on monday? Two years ago a 80 malibu wagon went 1.30 + under at Ca.open, with a 350 motor in his car, to get a grade point, They never opened is hood at the race, I taked to him after i saw it on Nitro Joe list, If he went 1.40 under, 305 would have got hp. with no tech, In division 5 we have scales and fuel check`s and heads up`s at the open`s, just like a points meet, Tom

[Bill Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

What if someone goes 1.40 under with no fuel check or weight check, hp on monday? Two years ago a 80 malibu wagon went 1.30 + under at Ca.open, with a 350 motor in his car, to get a grade point, They never opened is hood at the race, I taked to him after i saw it on Nitro Joe list, If he went 1.40 under, 305 would have got hp. with no tech, In division 5 we have scales and fuel check`s and heads up`s at the open`s, just like a points meet, Tom

When I squawked at the Div 6 Director last year about not fuel, weight or heads up I asked “so what if someone takes all the weight out of their car so they can become #1 qualifier” his response was if they go 1.4 under we will give them horsepower. The site of this weekends Division 6 National Open was Bremerton. Their scale is an ancient piece of equipment which I can’t see them upgrading or fixing as they only host class racers once a year, and a very limited number 16 of us Saturday and 12 on Sunday.
What Tom Moock said is a little scary. I was inspected by one of the regular track guys who probably had no idea what is legal and what is not in stock. This has some real serious ramifications; show up with whatever you want, call it whatever you want and get somebody’s combo horsepower on Monday.

[RPinoski1]

At DIV 7 Ntl Open @ Sac last year they let a half a dozen local bracket cars compete in the combo. No tech what so ever....just a car number and class sticker and you were good to go. Unfotunately, it left a bad taste for a lot of the guys. Many said they wouldn't come back....As you can see the turnout was poor this year.

The issue of these runs counting towards the AHFS was brought up.....Do they or don't they count?

[Dion Hildebrandt]

last year at the medicine hat nat open there was fuel check and scales, and nhra tech guys running the show, was no heads up but no duplicate class cars either. this year in ashcroft no fuel no scales, but all nhra tech guys on hand. ashcrofts scale looked pretty sketchy,either way i probably would have passed it by anyway. l

[Rory McNeil]

As Bill & Dion mentioned, Ascroft & Bremerton esentially don`t have proper, functional scales. Since Mission does, and holds a LODRS race, I would hope that the scales would be used there for their Open race. I agree that weight & fuel should be checked, as unless things have changed, you can set a NHRA Nat`l record at an Open. I think that between the economy, and the fact that a Open "double header" weekend now only counts as 1 grade point for 2 races, the farther away Opens will have lower Stock & S/S car counts.

[Chuck Porter]

Dion
As far as I know at the "Hat" as long as there is fuel check and scales, there "should" be heads up. There was one instance, I believe 2 years ago when the NHRA fuel check equipment wasn't working at the Hat. That's another story. It is my opinion and one that is shared by most Stk/SS competitors around here that there should be heads up during eliminations period. As I recall when I spoke to NHRA about this I was assured it wasn't the norm. The last time I was at Bremerton a few years ago the scale was operative. Ashcroft tried to use theirs a couple of years ago and they fought with it all weekend and finally gave up.
I would hate to see the National Open series eliminate Stk/SS because of scales and fuel check, however I certainly agree that it opens up for debate the whole AHFS and records situation.
To allow bracket cars to fill a field is garbage. I wouldn't go back either.
Chuck

[Dion Hildebrandt]

Originally Posted by Chuck Porter

Dion
As far as I know at the "Hat" as long as there is fuel check and scales, there "should" be heads up. To allow bracket cars to fill a field is garbage. I wouldn't go back either.
Chuck

i agree and i have no problem with heads up although im easy pickin's as i am 'working on my combo' i just wanted to point out that there is the equipment to do the proper class racing policeing at some national opens in our division.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by RPinoski1

At DIV 7 Ntl Open @ Sac last year they let a half a dozen local bracket cars compete in the combo. No tech what so ever....just a car number and class sticker and you were good to go. Unfotunately, it left a bad taste for a lot of the guys. Many said they wouldn't come back....As you can see the turnout was poor this year.

The issue of these runs counting towards the AHFS was brought up.....Do they or don't they count?

Gezzzzzzzz.....and you guys "Bitch" and complain about IHRA points races. Sounds "same ole same ole" to me.

[RPinoski1]

No bitchin here. Just stated facts......
Seems like a slap in the face to all Class racers doesn't it?
Attend a Stock/Superstock combo with a class car at correct weight against a 750 Holley topped bracket car at who knows what weight knowing that the car couldn't run the index if it was at correct weight with the correct carb and intake.
Then to top it off have those runs count against the AHFS

[Tony Janes]

The National Opens will be run the way by who ever makes the final decision on how it is run. Since we do not have a situation where an illegal car has gone 1.40 under, it is not necessary to worry about it until it happens. Most people run national open to get grade points. This makes it a true money bracket, the best packages win..