Frequency of double redlights

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

BANG!!!

What if your race car were a W/SA Pinto wagon with a C-3 transmission, that would result in you being the first car to leave 100-percent of the time?

That would mean that any time you red lit, your opponent would never have a chance to red light.

Never....

Can you logically justify a system that unecessarily removes your opponent from jeopardy (red light variety) just because you left early? You have deprived him of his chance to red light.

He has no way to return the favor... Nothing he can do will remove you from the jeopardy of a red light.

Do you think you'd still see this situation as a "non-problem" if that were the case?

Does that seem fair to you?

Bill,

I'm wounded but not dead.

I have been in the slow shoes when I raced a slant six Valiant. When I say it's a non-problem I'm looking at the frequency of such situations. Is this such a big problem that it needs fixing? If so then use the blinders, which won't work at night because the glare will tell the other guy what color your lights are.

If this is a big problem then let's lobby for a change, but what will the NHRA say ....."It's not a big problem".

Just trying to be practical,

JimR

[Ellis V. Buth]

What if your race car were a W/SA Pinto wagon with a C-3 transmission, that would result in you being the first car to leave 100-percent of the time? (quoted from Bill Dedman a few posts ago)

Who in their right mind would race a W/SA Pinto wagon? LOL. We have a W/S and leave first 99.9% of the time (unless we race Polhill, Seibenick, or the occasional W/SA such as Philley, Nivans, or my uncles old Pinto Wagon in Minnesota). I dont know if the rule would help us as much versus say a Cobra Jet, but it would definitely help cars that are clustered closer together where there is no time to see a red in the other lane (people argue that if you are focused on your side of the tree you dont see the red light, but i think against a car 4 or even 6 seconds slower than you that you can see the red light and still re-focus before your tree comes down) I know I always could in my junior dragster.

Ellis V. Buth
1976 Pinto Station Wagon W/S

[bill dedman]

Ellis,

No red llight will come on until after BOTH cars have left the line.
No red llight will come on until after BOTH cars have left the line.
No red llight will come on until after BOTH cars have left the line.

Running the car that you do, and after my having posted that sentence on this forum at LEAST ten times, in weeks, months and YEARS past, I figured that YOU, of all people, would have seen it...

The computer will not show a red light in ~either~ lane until after both cars have launched, and the computer has compared "lights."

Only then, will a win light and a red light come on, IF there was, in fact, a (red) light in either lane.

Hope this helps...

[bill dedman]

Jim, better get that bullet wound taken care of.... don't let it get infected!!!

RE: "I have been in the slow shoes when I raced a slant six Valiant. When I say it's a non-problem I'm looking at the frequency of such situations."

You are surely right, in that, this double red light wouldn't happen very often at all...

But, it WILL happen, and could happen in the final round for Stock Eliminator at the U.S. Nationals....

I'd sure hate to lose that one to a red bulb that was a lesser-inftaction than that faster car's (red) bulb in the other lane. That would leave a bad taste in my mouth for a long time...

No, it won't happen often, but since it's such an easy "fix," I can't see any reason NOT to fix it. They fixed the "first car to breakout loses".... a long time ago.
Time to fix this, too.

Just tryin' to be fair...

[Bobby Zlatkin]

I agree with Bill D.

[Ellis V. Buth]

Ok, I hadn't read the earlier posts in a while and had forgotten that you had said that. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense when stated that way...and i think it would make a difference because I know that it happens more than once a year. Sorry for being mis-informed and out of the loop.

Ellis V. Buth
3655 W/S 1976 Pinto Station Wagon

[Ed Fernandez]

Just tryin' to be fair...

Bill,show me where it's written that everything has to be "fair".Life is far from fair.
I appreciate your frequent "Crusades" on here.Pretty good for a guy with no intention on ever racing again.
You're persistence might be what influences the racing organizations to make changes that will not change your life one iota,but may make changes in the rules which present racers may have to deal with,maybe not for the good either.Think about it.