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[Ed Fernandez]

Only in a perfect world............................................. .................................................. ..............

[John Kelley]

Three examples from the Division Seven race at Vegas where the wrong car won...............
ROUND ONE VEGAS DIVISIONAL !!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
5370 Al Steinmetz 7897 Andy Kimball
E1 -0.055 11.482 115.61 ****WINNER**** -0.108 11.068 119.50
F/S Dial: 11.50 (+/-): -0.018 E/S Dial: 11.05 (+/-): 0.018
Qualified: #75 11.540 -0.860 #14 11.023 -1.227
Andy Kimball wins on a double red light.

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
779 Chuck Echmalian 6111 Mary Ann Method
E1 -0.025 11.627 111.49 ****WINNER**** -0.068 10.865 120.52
G/SA Dial: 11.80 (+/-): -0.173 C/SA Dial: 10.85 (+/-): 0.015
Qualified: #84 11.840 -0.770 #23 10.848 -1.142
Mary Ann Method wins on a double red light.
ROUND FOUR
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7402 Tibor Kadar 4402 Jerry Emmons
E4 -0.007 12.343 94.26 ****WINNER**** -0.341 15.708 59.69
L/SA Dial: 12.22 (+/-): 0.123 B/SA Dial: 10.79 (+/-): 4.918
Prior rounds:
E3 (J Irving ) 0.037 12.244 -0.026 (M Ann Method) 0.029 10.794 0.004
E2 (R Irving ) 0.055 12.196 0.006 (J Foshee ) 0.054 10.744 0.024
E1 (S Hook ) 0.006 12.413 0.163 (R Johnson ) 0.042 10.804 0.034
Qualified: #31 12.217 -1.103 #39 10.759 -1.081
Jerry Emmons wins on a -0.007 red light by Kadar.

[Ed Fernandez]

Quack,quack,quack,quack,quack,etc. etc. etc.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Quack,quack,quack,quack,quack,etc. etc. etc.

It looks like you are "DUCKING" the issue.........:-)

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

It looks like you are "DUCKING" the issue.........:-)

The thread is a load of ****.Over 50 posts for a non issue.It's quite simple,you go green and race to the end.You go red and you lose.It's a 50/50 deal in the end on a red light.We have way more important issues of inequities in S/SS racing.Top of the list is PAYOUTS.Nobody is getting any momentum out of wanting better payouts down the line.A bracket racer gets more mileage out of crying for social justice for the "poor" slow guys who get the 1st chance to go red.
Someone start a pole to see how M cars and down feel we need a bracket racer to determine if the rule should be changed.
I can't wait to see what Crusader Rabbit's next campaign will be.

[bill dedman]

Ed,
When you say, "A bracket racer gets more mileage out of crying for social justice for the "poor" slow guys who get the 1st chance to go red." you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you have NO CLUE what this is all about.

You prove it by completely ignoring the real point of all this; it's NOT that the slower car has the first chance to go red; it's that if they DO, they have taken away the other car's chance to go red.

If you think that's fair, then there's no hope that you'll ever understand this.

I'd rather see a poll, than a "pole"... A pole wouldn't do much good, here...

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

The thread is a load of ****.Over 50 posts for a non issue.It's quite simple,you go green and race to the end.You go red and you lose.It's a 50/50 deal in the end on a red light.We have way more important issues of inequities in S/SS racing.Top of the list is PAYOUTS.Nobody is getting any momentum out of wanting better payouts down the line.A bracket racer gets more mileage out of crying for social justice for the "poor" slow guys who get the 1st chance to go red.
Someone start a pole to see how M cars and down feel we need a bracket racer to determine if the rule should be changed.
I can't wait to see what Crusader Rabbit's next campaign will be.

Ed ,The fact of the matter is changes to the basic timing system affect way more than S/SS cars.
The 5 amber tree was changed to three, because supposedly it sped up the completion of National event on schedule. You notice it is now standard across the country.
Myself, I liked the 5 amber tree back in the 80's, with a stick shift FWD car. I had to learn to deal with the 3 amber deal.
NHRA and IHRA are going to do whatever they think is right for the sport in the long run, no matter what a couple of part time Stocker racers like you and I, think about it.
If the first red light loser becomes the worst r/l loser some time in the future, you 'll just have to deal with that too.
If you go red and then are awarded a win slip, the security folks will probably have to come and drag you back to the lanes for the next round, right?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Ed ,The fact of the matter is changes to the basic timing system affect way more than S/SS cars.
The 5 amber tree was changed to three, because supposedly it sped up the completion of National event on schedule. You notice it is now standard across the country.
Myself, I liked the 5 amber tree back in the 80's, with a stick shift FWD car. I had to learn to deal with the 3 amber deal.
NHRA and IHRA are going to do whatever they think is right for the sport in the long run, no matter what a couple of part time Stocker racers like you and I, think about it.
If the first red light loser becomes the worst r/l loser some time in the future, you 'll just have to deal with that too.
If you go red and then are awarded a win slip, the security folks will probably have to come and drag you back to the lanes for the next round, right?

Mark.I'm not disputing the fact it affects everyone.But our friend Mr Dedman should be on the bracket racing section flapping his gums,not here where he has no dog in the fight.I'm sure NHRA hasn't given it a thought.Changes happen almost always by them listening to a small minority and thinking that something has to be done.Squeaky Wheel Syndrome. If the rule was changed I would race by the rules in force and happily take the win slip.But I'm comfortable with the rule as it is.I'm not comfortable with a lot of other procedues we race under,for example,payouts
and inconsistant rule interpretations form div to div.(AKA Eastcoast/West coast rule book.See my point Mark?
Remember the Dirty,Cheating, Deep Stagers controversy?

Mr Dedman,you know what you can do with that "pole".