PINKS...Here's Our Chance.....

[B Aceves]

Floyd, I have a question. What is the % of a chance to win 18K cash at a legal NHRA National event Class Race ? And how much do you spend to Get that chance?


Bob Aceves #746 E/SA

[Floyd Gomez]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

Floyd, I have a question. What is the % of a chance to win 18K cash at a legal NHRA National event Class Race ? And how much do you spend to Get that chance?


Bob Aceves #746 E/SA

If you use the contigency program correctly you can win as much as 15K at a national event. The point is I am guarenteed to at least race for it. Not standing in the crowd with my fingers crossed hoping Rich and his crew pick me. Gary. I am not discrediting the fact you have experience as a class racer. However you keep saying you are doing this to try to improve class racing when you are taking everything out of what class racing is. You are wanting to change the rules that make this class fun and limit it to a select few that get picked for what some people are offended you call drag racing. The reason arm drop changed years ago was the simple fact that timing devices are more acurate. The reason for dial in was to ensure everyone had an even playing field. You are wanting to take away what makes this class competetive for 5 minutes of fame that you will probably never get. Pinks will NEVER be class racing nor will it EVER be a soloution to the problem of class racing. It is simply a run what you brung competition that no one cares if your car is an A\SA or a hunk of junk from down the street.

[Marine One]

I don't think anyone is saying change NHRA rules in class to mirror what Pinks is doing. They are just saying have a stock / super stock event at a Pinks show to help showcase the people that make up the entry level of professional drag racing.

The more people that are interested in drag racing, the better chance we all have at making this a family gig where our kids and grandkids can have the same fun as we are. If NHRA can't get fans to the track, they can't get money. That means we the racers have to make that up with entry fees, which drives the racers away. Once it gets to where the general public is not interested and the racers are staying home, NHRA will simply cut races because there is no money in it.

[Gary Smith]

Floyd I also want to clarify that my intent isn't to "change" class racing, but to offer another style of racing that has proven successful in attracting new fans. I never mentioned "replacing" class racing with arm drop racing. It will be a welcome change from the grind having to wait all day for 1 or 2 runs, empty stands, the ridiculous entry and participation fees, grade points, wondering if bad weather will force you (us) to come back some other weekend so the pros can complete their program. This is an event we're we'll be treated not only like humans, but respected for all our hard work, money, and perseverance deserves. Rich Christensen is the star, and will make us the main attraction, not John Force or the Don Schumacher monopoly. And contrary to pessimistic opinions as I receive info , WILL ATTRACT NEW BLOOD!!!!!

[Jeff Stout]

Floyd what if POA was a all run S/SS combo, no crossing fingers and hoping for that guarantee chance? Now you have the chance with one adjustment to the program. The tree still stages the cars and the timing is still activated and just the arm drop makes the vehicles leave. People would get educated on how class racing works during the show as you could be the one explaining how it works on TV. This alone would be worth the price of admission to get spectators to become educated and maybe then they would come to the next Div race to watch class racers. Use the POA score boards and start with index and then CIC race with determined amount of under agreed upon to change next round index. Just like No Problems CIC race that appears to be quite an audience catcher. Im sure some of the big parts warehouses and other parts makers for the sport would like to have a commercial during the telecast on SPEED. Then talk about contigency program with decals on cars that can give that kind of exposure on TV. What would the decal people say about that.
Jeff

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

If you use the contigency program correctly you can win as much as 15K at a national event. The point is I am guarenteed to at least race for it. Not standing in the crowd with my fingers crossed hoping Rich and his crew pick me. Gary. I am not discrediting the fact you have experience as a class racer. However you keep saying you are doing this to try to improve class racing when you are taking everything out of what class racing is. You are wanting to change the rules that make this class fun and limit it to a select few that get picked for what some people are offended you call drag racing. The reason arm drop changed years ago was the simple fact that timing devices are more acurate. The reason for dial in was to ensure everyone had an even playing field. You are wanting to take away what makes this class competetive for 5 minutes of fame that you will probably never get. Pinks will NEVER be class racing nor will it EVER be a soloution to the problem of class racing. It is simply a run what you brung competition that no one cares if your car is an A\SA or a hunk of junk from down the street.

I think you did not understand my point,, I said National Event CLASS Race,Meaning heads up racing. The last time I checked you would be lucky to get 300 dollars from winning class not 15K, Ok maybe 500 if you race a Mopar and they pay you!! lol. the point is Pinks is All out racing no sandbagging, Yes you do have to deal with a little circus act but nothing compared to the BS NHRA puts us through. HANDS DOWN....
I also think you are very wrong about how people at a Pinks event View our class cars
Have you taken a class Car to a Pinks event and see the reaction you get ??
Cause I have....

[Floyd Gomez]

Jeff, With an all run format and a CIC so long as pairings are even that would be worth it. Then you showcase our Classes and we all have a chance to win. However from what has been explained, this is not what they are looking for. They still want a 32 car field that they select. With that in mind there is very little logic to support teaching people about what we do. B. How would you compare running CLASS at a National to PINKS? Even if you do I still have a better chance at taking home more money than I started with running CLASS because I already know I am IN the show. Gary you have continuously stated that this POA deal is a way to bring more people to be interested in Stock and Superstock. It has been you argument since you started this thread. Now you are saying you don't want to change the way we run but everything about the current PINKS format is different. Make up your mind man.

[Jeff Stout]

I would feel that Rich and company would listen to some of our requirements and we could run cars for the first 30 minutes of airtime until we have 32 and make that the show for the last 30 minutes. Just like what they are doing now only difference they dont pick the 32. I wouldn't think that would be a make or break deal with Rich. We wont know until we ask. I original thought about Pinks was having a Hemi shootout to get people to watch. Then go to class style event.

[Gary Smith]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

Jeff, With an all run format and a CIC so long as pairings are even that would be worth it. Then you showcase our Classes and we all have a chance to win. However from what has been explained, this is not what they are looking for. They still want a 32 car field that they select. With that in mind there is very little logic to support teaching people about what we do. B. How would you compare running CLASS at a National to PINKS? Even if you do I still have a better chance at taking home more money than I started with running CLASS because I already know I am IN the show. Gary you have continuously stated that this POA deal is a way to bring more people to be interested in Stock and Superstock. It has been you argument since you started this thread. Now you are saying you don't want to change the way we run but everything about the current PINKS format is different. Make up your mind man.

Floyd you need better reading glasses....First off, I never said anything about changing anything. I have been on point about this format and idea from the start and have not strayed. The PINKS idea is still the PINKS deal, while the HRA's can do whatever they want. I simply presented the PINKS deal AS AN ALTERNATIVE AND SIMPLIFIED PROGRAM, NOT TAKING OVER, CHANGING, OR REPLACING.

Second, if Bruton Smith was going to offer a CIC program, where the hell was he a month, year or 2 years ago? Stepping into this thread with a sudden Zmax program wasn't going about it the right way, only attempt to sabotage mine.

This debate is becoming a waste of time. Please, if you're so adamant about ripping this idea apart, why not ignore it and move on, or take it to James Perrone since he apparently has all the answers to a perfect program.

[Floyd Gomez]

Originally Posted by Gary Smith

Floyd you need better reading glasses....First off, I never said anything about changing anything. I have been on point about this format and idea from the start and have not strayed. The PINKS idea is still the PINKS deal, while the HRA's can do whatever they want. I simply presented the PINKS deal AS AN ALTERNATIVE AND SIMPLIFIED PROGRAM, NOT TAKING OVER, CHANGING, OR REPLACING.

Second, if Bruton Smith was going to offer a CIC program, where the hell was he a month, year or 2 years ago? Stepping into this thread with a sudden Zmax program wasn't going about it the right way, only attempt to sabotage mine.

This debate is becoming a waste of time. Please, if you're so adamant about ripping this idea apart, why not ignore it and move on, or take it to James Perrone since he apparently has all the answers to a perfect program.

My eyesight is exceptional but thanks for asking. You may want to read both of your threads regarding this issue. You have constantly bashed NHRA and the current format we run. You have stated that this is a viable source for the future of S/SS racing and that we all should give it a try to improve support of S/SS. However when someone like me(who has every right to post on this site) wants to point out FACTS of the many differences of our class and question your statements on making the Class better by running PINKS you get your panties in a bunch. Why don't you just cancel you NHRA membership (if you already haven't) and move on. If you like PINKS and Rich so much then have at it. But don't try to make it sound like you have an alternative to our classes when the PINKS format has nothing to do with nor even remotely resembles S/SS racing. I as many other S/SS racers feel we can continue to grow our classes by EXPLAINING THE TRUE FUNDEMENTALS OF STOCK AND SUPERSTOCK racing to our youth. This is why I got the local high school involved building my new car as well as the last one. They are excited to understand the indexes and classes and cant wait to see the first pass. That is how you grow the format, not by pushing it in another direction.