Brad Plourd, you were robbed last week!

[Jeff Stout]

We will have to agree to disagree. Your Cavalier in your sig has a front spoiler that looks like it could be used for tripping the finish line but I think it is not very far in front of your front wheels so problably not alot to gain.Yet if I wasnt paying attention that front air dam or spoiler could ruin my day if I was to judge your fender,windshield post,decal on your car for reference and miss the spoiler dipping at the finish line. So you also have advantage that some do not have and could steal in win if dialed accordingly.Just saying

[HawkBrosMav]

Gary

As Jeff said you have a valid point when a class race happens in s/ss. One car could potentially have a .02 advantage over the other car. guess if you want to be the baddest guy on the block you better look at at the car you pick to do it with. again one of those detail things you have to pay attention to when you pick a combo..

In every other situation who cares what takes the stripe. for all I care you could put a 25 foot pole on the front of your car to take the stripe 25 feet in front of your tire. If I'm doing my job i will see this 25 foot pole and think to myself, "Hey self, i need to get in front of that 25 foot pole on his car." I will also know on my car what takes the stripe. so I know which part of my car I have to get in front of this 25 foot pole. You will have made at least 3 time runs with this pole on your car so you will know what to dial the car. We will both stage with our tires and If you were to take a photo of the finish my car would have to be in front of your 25 foot pole for me to win....

The way you think about this situation makes no sense to me. It's not like all of a sudden on a pass you decided to put this 25 foot pole on your car and expect to run the same ET. You're obviously going to be faster. You would have then had to dial for it thus making the fact that your car has this 25 foot pole completely irrelevant... If you don't dial for it you will break out.

Back to our real life example of justin and plourd. Justin's dial was to take the stripe with the nose. Plourd's was to take the stripe with the tire. If Plourd's dial was to take the stripe with his nose his nose would have been in the exact same place a his tire actually was in the pic. Justin would have known he needed to race nose to nose not nose to tire...

The details are what makes all the driver's involved great drivers. If i had to guess the driver's on the track knew exactly what happen and would never have and never will bit*ch about the outcome...

Sorry if i didn't say good job to Plourd and Justin before none of my post are saying anything negative about you guys just the posters complainin about the situation.

BH

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

Gary

As Jeff said you have a valid point when a class race happens in s/ss. One car could potentially have a .02 advantage over the other car. guess if you want to be the baddest guy on the block you better look at at the car you pick to do it with. again one of those detail things you have to pay attention to when you pick a combo..

In every other situation who cares what takes the stripe. for all I care you could put a 25 foot pole on the front of your car to take the stripe 25 feet in front of your tire. If I'm doing my job i will see this 25 foot pole and think to myself, "Hey self, i need to get in front of that 25 foot pole on his car." I will also know on my car what takes the stripe. so I know which part of my car I have to get in front of this 25 foot pole. You will have made at least 3 time runs with this pole on your car so you will know what to dial the car. We will both stage with our tires and If you were to take a photo of the finish my car would have to be in front of your 25 foot pole for me to win....

The way you think about this situation makes no sense to me. It's not like all of a sudden on a pass you decided to put this 25 foot pole on your car and expect to run the same ET. You're obviously going to be faster. You would have then had to dial for it thus making the fact that your car has this 25 foot pole completely irrelevant... If you don't dial for it you will break out.

Back to our real life example of justin and plourd. Justin's dial was to take the stripe with the nose. Plourd's was to take the stripe with the tire. If Plourd's dial was to take the stripe with his nose his nose would have been in the exact same place a his tire actually was in the pic. Justin would have known he needed to race nose to nose not nose to tire...

The details are what makes all the driver's involved great drivers. If i had to guess the driver's on the track knew exactly what happen and would never have and never will bit*ch about the outcome...

Sorry if i didn't say good job to Plourd and Justin before none of my post are saying anything negative about you guys just the posters complainin about the situation.

BH

Hawk, how can a tire to tire race not make since? As I told Jeff... Brad, Dennis, and Dan were robbed by those newer lower ground effects cars. In order for you guy's logic to make since all cars would have to be the same, and they're not. However, all cars stage with the tire, so they should conclude the race with the tire too...what's so hard to see about that when the camera clearly showed who really crossed the line first....and it wasn't the winners either...in either race! I wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't think there was a logical reason to....heck even one of the first post following my initial one said that the ESPN guys called the tower to check the accuracy of the outcome given what the camera clearly showed...the true winners of the races were the runner-up's...that was crystal clear to everyone who saw the race on ESPN....

Lower the sensors for tire to tire racing, or raise them for frontend to frontend racing...that's the only way a diverse collection of racing vehicles will have a level playing field....

[Leroy Duran 7118]

Gary who cares both brad and justin have both put there thoughts in on this subject..... I for one look at the front end of everys car that im about to race so i know what will take the stripe down there.... I even ran a stripe taker on my mustang for years.... not to many people knew i had it and would try wheel racing me and would always lose because they didnt see the stripe taker out front.


End of story time to move on!

[junior barns]

Originally Posted by Leroy Duran 7118

Gary who cares both brad and justin have both put there thoughts in on this subject..... I for one look at the front end of everys car that im about to race so i know what will take the stripe down there.... I even ran a stripe taker on my mustang for years.... not to many people knew i had it and would try wheel racing me and would always lose because they didnt see the stripe taker out front.


End of story time to move on!

WOW Were,are, stripe takers even legal and if so which classes?

I dont care one way or another but I have to agree with Gary. The censors need to be raised so the NOSE of the car trips the win light for all cars (or trucks)

[Leroy Duran 7118]

Originally Posted by junior barns

WOW Were,are, stripe takers even legal and if so which classes?

I dont care one way or another but I have to agree with Gary. The censors need to be raised so the NOSE of the car trips the win light for all cars (or trucks)

ya it was just a bracket car

[HawkBrosMav]

I'll leave all the analogy stuff out this time...

Plain and simple no matter high high or low the beam is NONE of the races you are complaining about would have had any different of an out come.

6104 Brad Plourd 7474 Justin Lamb
E6 0.016 8.892 148.92 ****WINNER**** 0.023 9.210 147.07
SS/AM Dial: 8.86 (+/-): 0.032 SS/DM Dial: 9.19 (+/-): 0.020


Brad dialed his car to take the stripe with tire at 8.86. If Brads car would take it with the nose every pass he would have dialed about 8.84 and run an 8.872. Thus moving the nose of his car to the exact spot on the track that his tire actually ended up in the race when he dial 8.86...Still behind Justin and still wouldn't have lit the win bulb. It's all math

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

We will have to agree to disagree. Your Cavalier in your sig has a front spoiler that looks like it could be used for tripping the finish line but I think it is not very far in front of your front wheels so problably not alot to gain.Yet if I wasnt paying attention that front air dam or spoiler could ruin my day if I was to judge your fender,windshield post,decal on your car for reference and miss the spoiler dipping at the finish line. So you also have advantage that some do not have and could steal in win if dialed accordingly.Just saying

I'll agree with you to disagree Jeff on which side of this statement we're on, and go with that. As for my cars ground effects, even with my dinky little 20x8x14 M/T's, the lowest edge of my car doesn't equal the bottom of my wheel (like it does with Justins car). The picture was clear that his Cobalt had lower ground effects than Brads car, so if both of them nosedove their cars, Justins front end would be lower than Brads (mine is similar to Brads given that it's a Cavalier, and the Cobalts came with lower ground effects than the Cavalier. The Super Gas final was even more clear cut about this, as the old school car crossed the line first (with its tires), but ground effects won it for Mike...but again we'll agree to disagree.

I will stand firm on my conclusion that Brad, Dennis, and Dan were robbed by their races not being tire to tire....