Brad Plourd, you were robbed last week!

[Harry 6674]

Great we have guys locking the brakes at the stripe now we'll have cars scraping the stripe totally off. Maybe there can be an award for the longest trail of sparks,lowrider style.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

Not trying to be jerk, I'm surprised this is being complained about. Haven't seen a rule in black and white about start with tire and finish with tires. Kind of sounds trivial.First year at Cajun 1 of the Warners tried to dip in as he was behind and didn't break out and didn't win. You can dial for the dive if that is you game plan. I tried diving with the Monte but didn't dial for it and I was late but it didn't work as I broke out. B Hawk has a valid point. Know what your doing and know what your opponent can do from start to finish. You will have a better win loss ratio. But this knowledge can make you a better bracket racer but we all know s/ss racers are not bracket racers because of tear down, class indexs, and so on.

Jeff, that would be fine if all front ends were the same distance forward of the contact patch of the tire (and the same height above the ground), but they're not. It would be a non-issue if it was a tire to tire (start to finish) race. How can you adjust for a quicker run if you're best run isn't enough to offset the likely quicker run of an extended & low nose on your opponents car after he/she staged their car with the front tire...that's all I'm saying.

[Jeff Stout]

Your point is valid if it was a heads up race. But this race was not. The rules we have make sthis a fair race. So with knowing that then picking the best car, over hang, motor combo would need to be looked at to take advantage of the rules at hand and gain that .005 to .01 at that speed. But the final round you are talking about was not. It was a bracket race with dial ins and if one driver or the other was fender racing then the wrong part of the fender was being watched or maybe human error. This is meant as no disrespect for the drivers involved as they are top notch drivers for sure. They way it is , is the way it is with the rules we are given. I personally don't see a problem with the outcome.
Looking at the math Brad needed to find .006 to win. Now if Brads front end tripped the finish line he would have won (maybe) and looks like he had plenty of room before breaking out. If Justin wheel tripped the finish line instead of his front end like it appears to have happened then maybe Brad would have won. To many ifs to know for sure so the best thing to do is know what you have and what your opponent has.

[GarysZ24]

Your point would be good too if they raced the exact type of car, but they didn't...you see no problem with the outcome, but when I see the nose of Brads car further ahead at the stripe than Justins, yet Justin got the win light due to the ground effects of his car being lower to the ground than Brads, that's the problem I see. Tires on both cars started the race, but ground effects ended the race for Justin, not the tire...thus not mono e mono.

[Jeff Stout]

We will have to agree to disagree. Your Cavalier in your sig has a front spoiler that looks like it could be used for tripping the finish line but I think it is not very far in front of your front wheels so problably not alot to gain.Yet if I wasnt paying attention that front air dam or spoiler could ruin my day if I was to judge your fender,windshield post,decal on your car for reference and miss the spoiler dipping at the finish line. So you also have advantage that some do not have and could steal in win if dialed accordingly.Just saying

[HawkBrosMav]

Gary

As Jeff said you have a valid point when a class race happens in s/ss. One car could potentially have a .02 advantage over the other car. guess if you want to be the baddest guy on the block you better look at at the car you pick to do it with. again one of those detail things you have to pay attention to when you pick a combo..

In every other situation who cares what takes the stripe. for all I care you could put a 25 foot pole on the front of your car to take the stripe 25 feet in front of your tire. If I'm doing my job i will see this 25 foot pole and think to myself, "Hey self, i need to get in front of that 25 foot pole on his car." I will also know on my car what takes the stripe. so I know which part of my car I have to get in front of this 25 foot pole. You will have made at least 3 time runs with this pole on your car so you will know what to dial the car. We will both stage with our tires and If you were to take a photo of the finish my car would have to be in front of your 25 foot pole for me to win....

The way you think about this situation makes no sense to me. It's not like all of a sudden on a pass you decided to put this 25 foot pole on your car and expect to run the same ET. You're obviously going to be faster. You would have then had to dial for it thus making the fact that your car has this 25 foot pole completely irrelevant... If you don't dial for it you will break out.

Back to our real life example of justin and plourd. Justin's dial was to take the stripe with the nose. Plourd's was to take the stripe with the tire. If Plourd's dial was to take the stripe with his nose his nose would have been in the exact same place a his tire actually was in the pic. Justin would have known he needed to race nose to nose not nose to tire...

The details are what makes all the driver's involved great drivers. If i had to guess the driver's on the track knew exactly what happen and would never have and never will bit*ch about the outcome...

Sorry if i didn't say good job to Plourd and Justin before none of my post are saying anything negative about you guys just the posters complainin about the situation.

BH

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

We will have to agree to disagree. Your Cavalier in your sig has a front spoiler that looks like it could be used for tripping the finish line but I think it is not very far in front of your front wheels so problably not alot to gain.Yet if I wasnt paying attention that front air dam or spoiler could ruin my day if I was to judge your fender,windshield post,decal on your car for reference and miss the spoiler dipping at the finish line. So you also have advantage that some do not have and could steal in win if dialed accordingly.Just saying

I'll agree with you to disagree Jeff on which side of this statement we're on, and go with that. As for my cars ground effects, even with my dinky little 20x8x14 M/T's, the lowest edge of my car doesn't equal the bottom of my wheel (like it does with Justins car). The picture was clear that his Cobalt had lower ground effects than Brads car, so if both of them nosedove their cars, Justins front end would be lower than Brads (mine is similar to Brads given that it's a Cavalier, and the Cobalts came with lower ground effects than the Cavalier. The Super Gas final was even more clear cut about this, as the old school car crossed the line first (with its tires), but ground effects won it for Mike...but again we'll agree to disagree.

I will stand firm on my conclusion that Brad, Dennis, and Dan were robbed by their races not being tire to tire....

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

Gary

As Jeff said you have a valid point when a class race happens in s/ss. One car could potentially have a .02 advantage over the other car. guess if you want to be the baddest guy on the block you better look at at the car you pick to do it with. again one of those detail things you have to pay attention to when you pick a combo..

In every other situation who cares what takes the stripe. for all I care you could put a 25 foot pole on the front of your car to take the stripe 25 feet in front of your tire. If I'm doing my job i will see this 25 foot pole and think to myself, "Hey self, i need to get in front of that 25 foot pole on his car." I will also know on my car what takes the stripe. so I know which part of my car I have to get in front of this 25 foot pole. You will have made at least 3 time runs with this pole on your car so you will know what to dial the car. We will both stage with our tires and If you were to take a photo of the finish my car would have to be in front of your 25 foot pole for me to win....

The way you think about this situation makes no sense to me. It's not like all of a sudden on a pass you decided to put this 25 foot pole on your car and expect to run the same ET. You're obviously going to be faster. You would have then had to dial for it thus making the fact that your car has this 25 foot pole completely irrelevant... If you don't dial for it you will break out.

Back to our real life example of justin and plourd. Justin's dial was to take the stripe with the nose. Plourd's was to take the stripe with the tire. If Plourd's dial was to take the stripe with his nose his nose would have been in the exact same place a his tire actually was in the pic. Justin would have known he needed to race nose to nose not nose to tire...

The details are what makes all the driver's involved great drivers. If i had to guess the driver's on the track knew exactly what happen and would never have and never will bit*ch about the outcome...

Sorry if i didn't say good job to Plourd and Justin before none of my post are saying anything negative about you guys just the posters complainin about the situation.

BH

Hawk, how can a tire to tire race not make since? As I told Jeff... Brad, Dennis, and Dan were robbed by those newer lower ground effects cars. In order for you guy's logic to make since all cars would have to be the same, and they're not. However, all cars stage with the tire, so they should conclude the race with the tire too...what's so hard to see about that when the camera clearly showed who really crossed the line first....and it wasn't the winners either...in either race! I wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't think there was a logical reason to....heck even one of the first post following my initial one said that the ESPN guys called the tower to check the accuracy of the outcome given what the camera clearly showed...the true winners of the races were the runner-up's...that was crystal clear to everyone who saw the race on ESPN....

Lower the sensors for tire to tire racing, or raise them for frontend to frontend racing...that's the only way a diverse collection of racing vehicles will have a level playing field....

[Leroy Duran 7118]

Gary who cares both brad and justin have both put there thoughts in on this subject..... I for one look at the front end of everys car that im about to race so i know what will take the stripe down there.... I even ran a stripe taker on my mustang for years.... not to many people knew i had it and would try wheel racing me and would always lose because they didnt see the stripe taker out front.


End of story time to move on!

[junior barns]

Originally Posted by Leroy Duran 7118

Gary who cares both brad and justin have both put there thoughts in on this subject..... I for one look at the front end of everys car that im about to race so i know what will take the stripe down there.... I even ran a stripe taker on my mustang for years.... not to many people knew i had it and would try wheel racing me and would always lose because they didnt see the stripe taker out front.


End of story time to move on!

WOW Were,are, stripe takers even legal and if so which classes?

I dont care one way or another but I have to agree with Gary. The censors need to be raised so the NOSE of the car trips the win light for all cars (or trucks)