Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes

[Charley Downing]

Dgal
Just so you know LT1 cars where in G/SA H/SA I/SA for the first three years killing other combs like the 255/350. No different then the New CJs and DP's

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Dgal
Just so you know LT1 cars where in G/SA H/SA I/SA for the first three years killing other combs like the 255/350. No different then the New CJs and DP's

BIG difference. the LT cars carried a factory rating the same as the showroom car, which anyone could go buy, there were way more than 500. Were they factored soft, yes, but no one KNEW the potential of those motors ahead of time either. The DP/CJ motors were designed to be race motors, and ford/chrysler LIED, BOLD FACE LIED, about the HP ratings. maybe the LT1's should have started at 300 like the vette motor, but in all fairness it was factored at what the showroom available motor was SAE rated at (and there is no way GM gave two craps about stock eliminator enough to lie about it on purpose). The closest relative to a CJ motor is rated at 540 SAE hp, 425 for the DP (with much less compression, cam, heads, intake and throttle body.

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

BIG difference. the LT cars carried a factory rating the same as the showroom car, which anyone could go buy, there were way more than 500. Were they factored soft, yes, but no one KNEW the potential of those motors ahead of time either. The DP/CJ motors were designed to be race motors, and ford/chrysler LIED, BOLD FACE LIED, about the HP ratings. maybe the LT1's should have started at 300 like the vette motor, but in all fairness it was factored at what the showroom available motor was SAE rated at (and there is no way GM gave two craps about stock eliminator enough to lie about it on purpose). The closest relative to a CJ motor is rated at 540 SAE hp, 425 for the DP (with much less compression, cam, heads, intake and throttle body.

Just for informations sake!
If I recall correctly, Mopar Performance told me they had to wait "(FOR THE NHRA)" to supply a HP rating from the three complete engines "SUBMITTED TO THE NHRA" prior to the release of the Drag Pak cars.

Cheers

Peter Ash

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Just for informations sake!
If I recall correctly, Mopar Performance told me they had to wait "(FOR THE NHRA)" to supply a HP rating from the three complete engines "SUBMITTED TO THE NHRA" prior to the release of the Drag Pak cars.

Cheers

Peter Ash

Not doubting that you heard that, but NHRA relies on the manufacturers to supply engine specs and submit a horsepower rating. I seriously doubt that NHRA "appraised" the hp of these engines. There may have been some negotiations though

[Jeff Lee]

I spoke to NHRA about the process. The OEM's sent their "recommendations" on DP/CJ HP levels. NHRA told them to "think some more". So yes, there was some negotiations albeit as we know now, not enough.
One or more engine combo's were submitted with such an insulting low HP recommendation and / or equipment the proposals went straight to the trash can. Those combination is not on the books. And I won't say what, so don't ask.

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=Jeff Lee; NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.[/QUOTE]

LMFAO ! Good one Jeff.

[BlueOval Ralph]

It was FORD Jesse had at least 3 more CRATE MOTOR combo's that were turned down.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I spoke to NHRA about the process. The OEM's sent their "recommendations" on DP/CJ HP levels. NHRA told them to "think some more". So yes, there was some negotiations albeit as we know now, not enough.
One or more engine combo's were submitted with such an insulting low HP recommendation and / or equipment the proposals went straight to the trash can. Those combination is not on the books. And I won't say what, so don't ask.

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

[Bruce Noland]

I have several letters from Graham Light, Gray and Gracia and Linda Louie. They made it perfectly clear that the HP set on the CJ's came from Ford and that they accepted Ford's rating. They told me that no one was getting over on them because they had the ahfs to fix any problems that may pop up. hmmmm.....

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

Jeff,

I think you and Bruce are talking about the same problem from two separate angles with separate bits of information. It seems that you both agree with the core of problem, but it has gotten to the point of "eating our own."

I am not trying to cherry pick your post, but this part of your post is what is most troubling to me. This is not a shot at you, but a shot at the NHRA powers that be.

Why are the discussions heated at all? They know what they need to do to bring fairness back to the class with these cars (FX). It is logical, easy, has a lot of sizzle, and makes perfect sense. All those things being considered, the only reason as to why it would be "heated" is that someone has made some big time promises that the move to fairness would cause them to break those promises.

What exactly are those promises I wonder?

Don

[Dgal]

Jeff,

You do make a good point. I am still leaning towards the broken promises which I would lay odds that it is along the lines of class dominance by these cars. If you are right that it is heated due to the number of classes it could also be resistance to, dare I say it, crate motor classes. Because that is what these are basically, crate motors.

Don