Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

BIG difference. the LT cars carried a factory rating the same as the showroom car, which anyone could go buy, there were way more than 500. Were they factored soft, yes, but no one KNEW the potential of those motors ahead of time either. The DP/CJ motors were designed to be race motors, and ford/chrysler LIED, BOLD FACE LIED, about the HP ratings. maybe the LT1's should have started at 300 like the vette motor, but in all fairness it was factored at what the showroom available motor was SAE rated at (and there is no way GM gave two craps about stock eliminator enough to lie about it on purpose). The closest relative to a CJ motor is rated at 540 SAE hp, 425 for the DP (with much less compression, cam, heads, intake and throttle body.

Just for informations sake!
If I recall correctly, Mopar Performance told me they had to wait "(FOR THE NHRA)" to supply a HP rating from the three complete engines "SUBMITTED TO THE NHRA" prior to the release of the Drag Pak cars.

Cheers

Peter Ash

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Just for informations sake!
If I recall correctly, Mopar Performance told me they had to wait "(FOR THE NHRA)" to supply a HP rating from the three complete engines "SUBMITTED TO THE NHRA" prior to the release of the Drag Pak cars.

Cheers

Peter Ash

Not doubting that you heard that, but NHRA relies on the manufacturers to supply engine specs and submit a horsepower rating. I seriously doubt that NHRA "appraised" the hp of these engines. There may have been some negotiations though

[Jeff Lee]

I spoke to NHRA about the process. The OEM's sent their "recommendations" on DP/CJ HP levels. NHRA told them to "think some more". So yes, there was some negotiations albeit as we know now, not enough.
One or more engine combo's were submitted with such an insulting low HP recommendation and / or equipment the proposals went straight to the trash can. Those combination is not on the books. And I won't say what, so don't ask.

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=Jeff Lee; NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.[/QUOTE]

LMFAO ! Good one Jeff.

[BlueOval Ralph]

It was FORD Jesse had at least 3 more CRATE MOTOR combo's that were turned down.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I spoke to NHRA about the process. The OEM's sent their "recommendations" on DP/CJ HP levels. NHRA told them to "think some more". So yes, there was some negotiations albeit as we know now, not enough.
One or more engine combo's were submitted with such an insulting low HP recommendation and / or equipment the proposals went straight to the trash can. Those combination is not on the books. And I won't say what, so don't ask.

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

[Bruce Noland]

I have several letters from Graham Light, Gray and Gracia and Linda Louie. They made it perfectly clear that the HP set on the CJ's came from Ford and that they accepted Ford's rating. They told me that no one was getting over on them because they had the ahfs to fix any problems that may pop up. hmmmm.....

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I have several letters from Graham Light, Gray and Gracia and Linda Louie. They made it perfectly clear that the HP set on the CJ's came from Ford and that they accepted Ford's rating. They told me that no one was getting over on them because they had the ahfs to fix any problems that may pop up. hmmmm.....

And if you read my post you'll note that is what I said. Ford & Dodge gave numbers, NHRA accepted them...eventually.

[Charley Downing]

You people kill me. Numbers are down in our sport so NHRA/Ford/Dodge do something to help save the class and give it some life (Because they do care about us somewhat). And all you A** CLOWNS can't see the big pitcher. It’s all about you and your combo and how NHRA screwed you. Who cares if we lose 5-10 racers per year in S/SS. We can go back to the way it was two years ago and in 5 years your fast Stock and SSer will be nothing more than a $60,000 bracket one car. Because we as a class would not change with the times. Are these cars under factored, yes. But people will not build new cars unless they have some kind of advantage. How much GM stuff is being built right now, zero because there is no advantage. I for one would like to race in Stock and Superstock for the next 30 plus years and this is the only way that is going to happen. Programs like these help to bring in new people and more cars witch help us grow as a class. End of story A** CLOWNS.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

And if you read my post you'll note that is what I said. Ford & Dodge gave numbers, NHRA accepted them...eventually.

Negotiations? This post does not square with your first post. According to nhra, Ford produced the figures and nhra promptly rolled over.

Also, I don't believe this promo stuff about this being a great deal for Stock and Super Stock. This is just a short term cash n carry deal.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

Jeff,

I think you and Bruce are talking about the same problem from two separate angles with separate bits of information. It seems that you both agree with the core of problem, but it has gotten to the point of "eating our own."

I am not trying to cherry pick your post, but this part of your post is what is most troubling to me. This is not a shot at you, but a shot at the NHRA powers that be.

Why are the discussions heated at all? They know what they need to do to bring fairness back to the class with these cars (FX). It is logical, easy, has a lot of sizzle, and makes perfect sense. All those things being considered, the only reason as to why it would be "heated" is that someone has made some big time promises that the move to fairness would cause them to break those promises.

What exactly are those promises I wonder?

Don