Question About New Chevy Cars

Jason · 12-20-2010, 11:16 AM

Cobalts are popular in SS/GT. A Cobalt that is a flood car can be bought cheap. Not much of the original car except the body (and stock floor pan) is really used. Newer Corvette and Camaro flood cars are a lot more pricey. Making a Stocker out of a flood car involves replacing or fixing a lot more of the electronics.

Alan Roehrich · 12-20-2010, 11:40 AM

There are no new Camaro combinations that are worth building for Stock Eliminator. Most of the new Corvettes are factored such that they are Super Stock only combinations.

You can buy a new stripper Cobalt for about $12K or so, used examples for far less. It is small, light, and aerodynamic. You can buy a Camaro body in white for about $10K or so. You need another $5K or so worth of stuff just to have enough pieces to start a Super Stock legal car. The Camaro is big, heavy, and not terribly aerodynamic. If you're going to spend $75K to build a Super stock car, where are you going to start?

Ed Wright · 12-20-2010, 11:42 AM

I can't imagine anybody building a new Camaro.

X-TECH MAN · 12-20-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I can't imagine anybody building a new Camaro.

And they are UGLY ! You can park a 67-68 Camaro inside one. I know they are out selling the Mustangs and Challengers but DAMN.

Tom Turner · 12-20-2010, 01:01 PM

Ed is right, it's hard to imagine anybody building a new Camaro but the real problem is with the shipping weight. Even if you could look past the "fat chick" Corvette look from the rear and the massive size (the Challenger is big too); the thing is a tank! Unless Chevrolet builds a special car with a sensible (or bogus depending on your predication) shipping weight (i.e. Firebird Formula) there is really no class to shoot for, especially one at the top of the heap. Without factory help the Camaro is more like a turkey than a race car. It's sad, I'd really like to see them out there doing battle with a "racing weight" shipping # and a soft HP factor, just like Ford and Mopar; it puts excitement back into our sport which is something most of us have NOT done for a long time. Just my opinion. TT

Harry 6674 · 12-20-2010, 02:35 PM

I'm with X-tech on this, they are really homely but in my neck of the woods they are not out selling the Mustang or the Challenger. Thank god. The WWII veterans say their nose looks like a german half track in the rear view mirror. GM had a chance and dropped the ball. But thats just my opinion and I've owned a Camaro since 1969 so I'm not a hater of Camaros.

KingReptile · 12-20-2010, 02:55 PM

Just curious you know one of those mustangs will run in the 8s eventually in stock,if i was Chevy i would wanna do this first.

X-TECH MAN · 12-20-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry 6674

I'm with X-tech on this, they are really homely but in my neck of the woods they are not out selling the Mustang or the Challenger. Thank god. The WWII veterans say their nose looks like a german half track in the rear view mirror. GM had a chance and dropped the ball. But thats just my opinion and I've owned a Camaro since 1969 so I'm not a hater of Camaros.

LOL......Good description. Theres a GA-Zillion New Camaros around here. Im almost afraid to look in the rear view mirror. Im not a hater of them either as Ive owned a few including a Super Stock 68.

Steve Williams · 12-20-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Cobalts are popular in SS/GT. A Cobalt that is a flood car can be bought cheap. Not much of the original car except the body (and stock floor pan) is really used. Newer Corvette and Camaro flood cars are a lot more pricey. Making a Stocker out of a flood car involves replacing or fixing a lot more of the electronics.

IF you can find a flood car. There must be some out there but finding them is the key. I know of a guy that tried to find a flood car and could not find one. This was around September 1st. Has there been any floods after September 1st in the U.S.? I do know of a really nice stocker for sale in the classifieds that was a flood car from Katrina.

Jeff Kempton · 12-20-2010, 09:34 PM

With flood cars, don't you have a problem with rust? For example, the Katrina flood car was immersed in salt water, wasn't it? A guy I know built a flood car years ago and he couldn't stop the thing from rusting from the inside out. It seems he couldn't get the tight seams of the body flushed out thoroughly and the corrosion ate it alive. I would think that a fresh water flood car would be a lot better.

As far as Camaros go, I currently own a 1969, a 1971, and a 2010 Camaro, and it took me awhile to warm to the looks of the new one but I like them now. It's just not built to be the same type of car as the originals. From what I read on another thread, 4 cylinder Cobalts weigh almost as much now as a base '69 Camaro did! Based on that it's no surprise that the weight of Camaros has gone up too.

Unless GM decides to offer a "Drag Pak" type package and pull a bunch of weight out of the car I can't see anyone building one for Stock or Super Stock. There has been talk lately of the body style being introduced to Pro Stock soon though. The "Pro Stock-ized" version will likely be about 3/4 scale and otherwise tweaked though to make it work.

12-20-2010, 11:16 AM	#1
Jason Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 235 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars Cobalts are popular in SS/GT. A Cobalt that is a flood car can be bought cheap. Not much of the original car except the body (and stock floor pan) is really used. Newer Corvette and Camaro flood cars are a lot more pricey. Making a Stocker out of a flood car involves replacing or fixing a lot more of the electronics. Last edited by Jason; 12-20-2010 at 11:19 AM.

12-20-2010, 11:40 AM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,561 Liked 1,787 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars There are no new Camaro combinations that are worth building for Stock Eliminator. Most of the new Corvettes are factored such that they are Super Stock only combinations. You can buy a new stripper Cobalt for about $12K or so, used examples for far less. It is small, light, and aerodynamic. You can buy a Camaro body in white for about $10K or so. You need another $5K or so worth of stuff just to have enough pieces to start a Super Stock legal car. The Camaro is big, heavy, and not terribly aerodynamic. If you're going to spend $75K to build a Super stock car, where are you going to start? __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

12-20-2010, 11:42 AM	#3
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars I can't imagine anybody building a new Camaro. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-20-2010, 01:01 PM	#5
Tom Turner Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lake Tapps, Washington Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars Ed is right, it's hard to imagine anybody building a new Camaro but the real problem is with the shipping weight. Even if you could look past the "fat chick" Corvette look from the rear and the massive size (the Challenger is big too); the thing is a tank! Unless Chevrolet builds a special car with a sensible (or bogus depending on your predication) shipping weight (i.e. Firebird Formula) there is really no class to shoot for, especially one at the top of the heap. Without factory help the Camaro is more like a turkey than a race car. It's sad, I'd really like to see them out there doing battle with a "racing weight" shipping # and a soft HP factor, just like Ford and Mopar; it puts excitement back into our sport which is something most of us have NOT done for a long time. Just my opinion. TT

12-20-2010, 02:35 PM	#6
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars I'm with X-tech on this, they are really homely but in my neck of the woods they are not out selling the Mustang or the Challenger. Thank god. The WWII veterans say their nose looks like a german half track in the rear view mirror. GM had a chance and dropped the ball. But thats just my opinion and I've owned a Camaro since 1969 so I'm not a hater of Camaros.

12-20-2010, 02:55 PM	#7
KingReptile Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 257 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars Just curious you know one of those mustangs will run in the 8s eventually in stock,if i was Chevy i would wanna do this first.

12-20-2010, 09:34 PM	#10
Jeff Kempton Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 236 Likes: 1,043 Liked 66 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Question About New Chevy Cars With flood cars, don't you have a problem with rust? For example, the Katrina flood car was immersed in salt water, wasn't it? A guy I know built a flood car years ago and he couldn't stop the thing from rusting from the inside out. It seems he couldn't get the tight seams of the body flushed out thoroughly and the corrosion ate it alive. I would think that a fresh water flood car would be a lot better. As far as Camaros go, I currently own a 1969, a 1971, and a 2010 Camaro, and it took me awhile to warm to the looks of the new one but I like them now. It's just not built to be the same type of car as the originals. From what I read on another thread, 4 cylinder Cobalts weigh almost as much now as a base '69 Camaro did! Based on that it's no surprise that the weight of Camaros has gone up too. Unless GM decides to offer a "Drag Pak" type package and pull a bunch of weight out of the car I can't see anyone building one for Stock or Super Stock. There has been talk lately of the body style being introduced to Pro Stock soon though. The "Pro Stock-ized" version will likely be about 3/4 scale and otherwise tweaked though to make it work.

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