Crate Engines in NHRA?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro

answers
1) found out quickly that there isnt any stock or superstock guy that sells a "good" combo. They squirrel everything away and sell the junk and advertise it as good.
2)I love AMC's but do I really need to answer why there are so many parts
3)Answers like this will kill stock eliminator for good. Wow racing NHRA stock is apparently like getting in the Union or being accepted into the Town Legion.

I never said for you to build an AMC.Just used the example of "different" combos available.
And I meant you could have stock castings brought up to you from the States for the
combos you can't get parts for up where you are.You have John Armstrong up there if you want to build a killer combo,otherwise I'm sure there's competent builders that can prep the parts for you to make your car a legal NHRA car.Or just keep your crate combo and run association races.We have choices in life.

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I never said for you to build an AMC.Just used the example of "different" combos available.
And I meant you could have stock castings brought up to you from the States for the
combos you can't get parts for up where you are.You have John Armstrong up there if you want to build a killer combo,otherwise I'm sure there's competent builders that can prep the parts for you to make your car a legal NHRA car.Or just keep your crate combo and run association races.We have choices in life.

And I wasnt bashing your AMC combo like I said I do have a soft spot for those cars. Im just in shock at the hard headed guys who can't accept that this will eventually have to happen sooner or later. These guys are making it sound like there is still wrecking yards with 375hp 396 cars still out there. Ya ok...please tell me where. I know that there is alot of guys out there that have and are still collecting old parts but 5 out of 10 casting are butchered and are not usalble. A 350/295hp combo and a 350/330 hp crate combo built to stock eliminator spec will make the same HP on the dyno within 10hp....so whos at the disadvantage here? Without the NHRA factor worked into the equasion I have to carry 35hp more weight so whos going to be faster?

[Ed Fernandez]

My reply to this thread is that we're only a few small steps,perpetrated by NHRA's
inability to control the runaway changes and lack of enforcement of rules,from having S/SS go away.The racers who kept pushing for changes and upgrades to equipment
and rules are hastening this process.
The addition of crate motors to the mix will only speed up the process.
I never raced Stock when Farmer was around,but I'd be willing to bet all this replacement
of parts bull$hit wouldn't fly if either he or someone like him was in charge of race operations.I've heard from lots of old timers that he was tough,but fair.
Finis.

[Ed Wright]

Ed, your right about Farmer. No B.S. He was tough, not everybody liked him. I did. Strict is good.

I don't run Stock, so don't have a dog in this fight. But, why would anybody think crate motors are the coming thing in NHRA? Like they are the future? Seriously? I can see them getting rid of S/SS before adding more classes. :-)

I just can't imagine building something that could only run with one association, either one, then expect the other group to make classes for them. No logic there.

[dragracer502]

All right, time to join in on the fun.........The point that my Crate Camaro friend is to being too kind to make its this. It is not 1970 any more! Hasn't been for 41 years now, so let it go, time marches on, and not even one of you with a numbers correct, factory original race version, 1 of 5, had to be on the "special" list (wink wink, nudge nudge) to get one, big block, 4 speed, light weight stocker can make the good old days come back! Thats why they are the "good old days" because they are gone. So lets deal with reality here then. The issue that has you "originals" all in knots on almost every other thread is the "death" of stock .......and I worry about that as well, but it is not because of new "bogus" combinations coming in. Stock is going to die because there are fewer new racers coming in than there are old ones going out. Plain and simple, if you are one of the fortunate few who have "been there and burried that index" racing an original equipment stocker, chances are you are worried about the end of your time on earth, and only think its the end of Stock Eliminator that has you awake late at night. Instead of ruling down from on high about what combination is in and whats out...you should be doing everything in your power to bring any and every new racer interested in taking on the challenge of Stock racing, to the track. In the end, when you get over your ego trip of running Class, you will understand that we are all just running a glorified bracket race, so get over yourself, put on both bulbs, and settle racing arguments where they belong.....on the track! Me and Crate Camaro, we will be waiting here in Ontario for anyone with the balls enough to risk having their $100 000 "real" stocker shown the gate by a crate motor car.

[Ed Wright]

Don't hold your breath until you do it with NHRA.

[dragracer502]

My point 100% "only race someone if they come race where I race, have to race NHRA, have to be in the club" I call Chicken **** BS.........if youre a racer, you race! if not you can go have a seat at the cruze night with the rest of the "used to be's" and tell everyone all about "real stock racing".

[novassdude]

Seeing how adding crate motor is going to save NHRA how is it that the NHRA races have a way larger turn out than the IHRA?
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
If you do not wish to find the parts to build a NHRA legal car that is your choice. No one is telling you to do it differently. Just leave the NHRA alone they do not need or want crate motor cars. Other than the $100,000 crate motors from Ford and Chrysler.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by dragracer502

All right, time to join in on the fun.........The point that my Crate Camaro friend is to being too kind to make its this. It is not 1970 any more! Hasn't been for 41 years now, so let it go, time marches on, and not even one of you with a numbers correct, factory original race version, 1 of 5, had to be on the "special" list (wink wink, nudge nudge) to get one, big block, 4 speed, light weight stocker can make the good old days come back! Thats why they are the "good old days" because they are gone. So lets deal with reality here then. The issue that has you "originals" all in knots on almost every other thread is the "death" of stock .......and I worry about that as well, but it is not because of new "bogus" combinations coming in. Stock is going to die because there are fewer new racers coming in than there are old ones going out. Plain and simple, if you are one of the fortunate few who have "been there and burried that index" racing an original equipment stocker, chances are you are worried about the end of your time on earth, and only think its the end of Stock Eliminator that has you awake late at night. Instead of ruling down from on high about what combination is in and whats out...you should be doing everything in your power to bring any and every new racer interested in taking on the challenge of Stock racing, to the track. In the end, when you get over your ego trip of running Class, you will understand that we are all just running a glorified bracket race, so get over yourself, put on both bulbs, and settle racing arguments where they belong.....on the track! Me and Crate Camaro, we will be waiting here in Ontario for anyone with the balls enough to risk having their $100 000 "real" stocker shown the gate by a crate motor car.

y'all don't get enough sunshine up there or something. But what the hell else you gonna do when you live in a frozen tundra

[dragracer502]

You All, must have heat stroke that makes you speak the english language as if you were half retarded..........oh wait, Im sorry, Y'all are!