Crate Engines in NHRA?

[dragracer502]

All right, time to join in on the fun.........The point that my Crate Camaro friend is to being too kind to make its this. It is not 1970 any more! Hasn't been for 41 years now, so let it go, time marches on, and not even one of you with a numbers correct, factory original race version, 1 of 5, had to be on the "special" list (wink wink, nudge nudge) to get one, big block, 4 speed, light weight stocker can make the good old days come back! Thats why they are the "good old days" because they are gone. So lets deal with reality here then. The issue that has you "originals" all in knots on almost every other thread is the "death" of stock .......and I worry about that as well, but it is not because of new "bogus" combinations coming in. Stock is going to die because there are fewer new racers coming in than there are old ones going out. Plain and simple, if you are one of the fortunate few who have "been there and burried that index" racing an original equipment stocker, chances are you are worried about the end of your time on earth, and only think its the end of Stock Eliminator that has you awake late at night. Instead of ruling down from on high about what combination is in and whats out...you should be doing everything in your power to bring any and every new racer interested in taking on the challenge of Stock racing, to the track. In the end, when you get over your ego trip of running Class, you will understand that we are all just running a glorified bracket race, so get over yourself, put on both bulbs, and settle racing arguments where they belong.....on the track! Me and Crate Camaro, we will be waiting here in Ontario for anyone with the balls enough to risk having their $100 000 "real" stocker shown the gate by a crate motor car.

[Ed Wright]

Don't hold your breath until you do it with NHRA.

[dragracer502]

My point 100% "only race someone if they come race where I race, have to race NHRA, have to be in the club" I call Chicken **** BS.........if youre a racer, you race! if not you can go have a seat at the cruze night with the rest of the "used to be's" and tell everyone all about "real stock racing".

[novassdude]

Seeing how adding crate motor is going to save NHRA how is it that the NHRA races have a way larger turn out than the IHRA?
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
If you do not wish to find the parts to build a NHRA legal car that is your choice. No one is telling you to do it differently. Just leave the NHRA alone they do not need or want crate motor cars. Other than the $100,000 crate motors from Ford and Chrysler.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by dragracer502

All right, time to join in on the fun.........The point that my Crate Camaro friend is to being too kind to make its this. It is not 1970 any more! Hasn't been for 41 years now, so let it go, time marches on, and not even one of you with a numbers correct, factory original race version, 1 of 5, had to be on the "special" list (wink wink, nudge nudge) to get one, big block, 4 speed, light weight stocker can make the good old days come back! Thats why they are the "good old days" because they are gone. So lets deal with reality here then. The issue that has you "originals" all in knots on almost every other thread is the "death" of stock .......and I worry about that as well, but it is not because of new "bogus" combinations coming in. Stock is going to die because there are fewer new racers coming in than there are old ones going out. Plain and simple, if you are one of the fortunate few who have "been there and burried that index" racing an original equipment stocker, chances are you are worried about the end of your time on earth, and only think its the end of Stock Eliminator that has you awake late at night. Instead of ruling down from on high about what combination is in and whats out...you should be doing everything in your power to bring any and every new racer interested in taking on the challenge of Stock racing, to the track. In the end, when you get over your ego trip of running Class, you will understand that we are all just running a glorified bracket race, so get over yourself, put on both bulbs, and settle racing arguments where they belong.....on the track! Me and Crate Camaro, we will be waiting here in Ontario for anyone with the balls enough to risk having their $100 000 "real" stocker shown the gate by a crate motor car.

y'all don't get enough sunshine up there or something. But what the hell else you gonna do when you live in a frozen tundra

[dragracer502]

You All, must have heat stroke that makes you speak the english language as if you were half retarded..........oh wait, Im sorry, Y'all are!

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by dragracer502

You All, must have heat stroke that makes you speak the english language as if you were half retarded..........oh wait, Im sorry, Y'all are!

well if a 170 IQ is half retarded, I'm ok with that. We get to race year round, y'all get to post on the internet for half the year. You also live in Canada, a country that could be taken over by our Boy Scouts before lunch time.

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

well if a 170 IQ is half retarded, I'm ok with that. We get to race year round, y'all get to post on the internet for half the year. You also live in Canada, a country that could be taken over by our Boy Scouts before lunch time.

Ok you know what that has absolutely nothing to do with this post. Thats the most rediculous thing I have ever herd and you should be ashamed of yourself for even saying that. Our country has done nothing but help you in all your bogus war BS so cut the attitude and grow up.

At the end of the day we are arguing for nothing...this isnt going to be a vote as to who allows what in the NHRA....they are going to make the desision and thats going to be it. If they allow the crate engine into NHRA then it will be a good deal for us IHRA racers to come and race NHRA and travel and stimulate this crap box economy. More racers make small towns more money for business...any any increase in business will make everyone happy.

Sitting here and talking about the 674 intake with 448 heads and "ohh you have to run the 132 carb that has a lower casting from Hungry because it was .0004 faster to the 330ft mark" is rediculous. Your saying its just as cheap to run an NHRA combo...so I take my 454 block down to the machine shop for a $200 dollar a hole sleeve job...1600 in the block? Thats afordable? Ohh ya dart is making a new 396 block thats accepted in stock right...LOL Dart block in stock....and your worried about a crate engine.

And im sick and tirer of hearing "ohh your stupid for building a combo that can only run one Sanction" I chose to build a crate combination because it was the easiest way to run mid to low 11's with minimum cash outlay.

Pretty sure some of you guys have forgot that Stock Eliminator is an entry level sportsman class...the stands empty to eat hotdogs when we are in the lanes and the cameras are off.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro

Ok you know what that has absolutely nothing to do with this post. Thats the most rediculous thing I have ever herd and you should be ashamed of yourself for even saying that. Our country has done nothing but help you in all your bogus war BS so cut the attitude and grow up.

At the end of the day we are arguing for nothing...this isnt going to be a vote as to who allows what in the NHRA....they are going to make the desision and thats going to be it. If they allow the crate engine into NHRA then it will be a good deal for us IHRA racers to come and race NHRA and travel and stimulate this crap box economy. More racers make small towns more money for business...any any increase in business will make everyone happy.

Sitting here and talking about the 674 intake with 448 heads and "ohh you have to run the 132 carb that has a lower casting from Hungry because it was .0004 faster to the 330ft mark" is rediculous. Your saying its just as cheap to run an NHRA combo...so I take my 454 block down to the machine shop for a $200 dollar a hole sleeve job...1600 in the block? Thats afordable? Ohh ya dart is making a new 396 block thats accepted in stock right...LOL Dart block in stock....and your worried about a crate engine.

And im sick and tirer of hearing "ohh your stupid for building a combo that can only run one Sanction" I chose to build a crate combination because it was the easiest way to run mid to low 11's with minimum cash outlay.

Pretty sure some of you guys have forgot that Stock Eliminator is an entry level sportsman class...the stands empty to eat hotdogs when we are in the lanes and the cameras are off.

first off your buddy made the disparaging comment about "you guys are half retarded", so go beat on him for lowering the bar.

Second off, the first thing I bolded is what class racing is all about. The second thing I bolded sounds like it came straight out of a bracket racer's mouth (not that there is anything wrong with that). About the third thing I bolded.........you have to look at NHRA national event sportsman class structure as two different ladders to the top. One one side, from bottom up, is super street, super gas, super comp, and top sportsman. These classes most often lead to the alcohol classes, pro mod, and the fuel classes (ala Shawn Langdon, the Force Girls, and others). The other side is stock, SS, and Comp. This side most often leads to Pro Stock at the top (stanfield, Brogdon, Kent, etc). Stock and SuperStreet would both be at the bottom rung on their respective sides, but the mindset is totally different on either side. Super Street is truly the entry level class here, and NHRA even states it. Class racing, on the other side is performance based and is about things like knowing the in's and out's of a motor, trans, etc and yes even things like that different carb base that's worth .004. If that's not what interests you, and you don't have the knack for it, maybe the other side of that "ladder" would be better for you.

I'm not trying to bash you, or suggest that you aren't cut out for class racing, but some of your own posts raise those questions. I'm also not saying that one side of the class structure is lesser than the other, or that they are mutually exclusive. There are lost of racers that excel at both. But they do require a different mentality and skill set. "going mid 11's for the least amount of money possible" doesn't sound like the class racer mentality. "going 1.00 under the index for the least amount possible" does, whether it be V/S, AF/S or A/SA

[Ed Fernandez]

I had a long post all typed up and lost it,so I'll just condense it.If you two guys don't like using correct PN parts and doing weight and fuel check then just stay up where you bracket race and possibly association race where crates are allowed.The vast majority of us S/SS racers like doing stuff like having as close to factory parts and going through all the hoops required to race.Sure we're having problems with tech issues but we work as best we can.
Mr F Bomb,you sound like a real cocky SOB.Drive your what ever you drive down to Atco Raceway in NJ.There's a
few Jr dragster kids,if they were allowed to run regular
bracket cars,who would send you back to the frozen north with your F Bomb between your legs.
And Crate Camaro,"Our country has done nothing but help you in all your bogus war BS so cut the attitude and grow up."
Seems to me when the ***** hits the fan nobody gets on the telly with Ottawa.You know who they call.
And BTW the US kicked Canada's ***** already.Didn't you see it on South Park.And you can keep Terrence and Phillip.:>):>)