worst red light debate, again!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Ed F.,
What do you call it when you fail to answer simple. direct, sometimes yes-or-no question that relates to the thread subject?

Cowardice? That would be good for a start.

Obfuscation?

Nope'; too many syllabiles for your "superior," Joisey edumucation...

Rudeness?

Nope that isn't even in your limited vocabulary...

Ignorance? Yep... now, we/re getting somewhere!!!

Psyco-babble that is ego-driven?

Maybe, but it's got more facets than that...

Just plain don't know the answer, and trying desperately to defray attention from that faact, , so that maybe, just MAYBE, no one will notice!!!

The burning question, one last time:

How is a rule that treats 2 competitors differently a fair one?

Competitor 1 gets red light jeopardy EVERY time he faces the tree when running a quicker car.

Competitor 2 only faces it when his compettiton in the slower car, goes green.

Tell me, Ed F., what is the reason that anyone could think that's equal treatment under the rules? And, if it's equal not treatment (it's not) what makes it "fair" and not worthy of changing.

I don't expect you to answer this because, that's what you do; you write pages of insults and "cute" put-downs in hopes that no one will notice that you couldn't/wouldn't answer the question, BECAUSE to answer it, would reveal that you have NEVER had a real understanding of the problem at hand.

You're position is intellectually bankrupt.

Now, prove me wrong and answer the 2-part question. Please...

You've convinced me that you're totally nuts.This has to be an act.Bill,which one are you??

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

You've convinced me that you're totally nuts.This has to be an act.Bill,which one are you??

Doctor Fernandez,
This thought just came into my head today.
What if Doctor Dedman succeeded with getting this rule change?
Would you be pi$$ed at him? Extremely pi$$ed?
If so, why?
Just curious about your thought process . I know about the guys with the AA, A, B cars

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Doctor Fernandez,
This thought just came into my head today.
What if Doctor Dedman succeeded with getting this rule change?
Would you be pi$$ed at him? Extremely pi$$ed?
If so, why?
Just curious about your thought process . I know about the guys with the AA, A, B cars

Mark,I'll discuss that with you at Englishtown.Okee dokey?

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Doctor Fernandez,
This thought just came into my head today.
What if Doctor Dedman succeeded with getting this rule change?
Would you be pi$$ed at him? Extremely pi$$ed?
If so, why?
Just curious about your thought process . I know about the guys with the AA, A, B cars

Most don't care one way or the other. But, he ain't gonna get it done here.

[Bobby Zlatkin]

I try to stay out of this but I can't.
Not only do I think a first red light loss is unfair, but I think (off subject here) not allowing deep staging is not fair. Forces the slower car to leave sooner (on the tree) than the faster car. Why should'n they both get to leave at, reasonably, the same time (adjusted by tire size and pressure). Why should the slower car have to shoot at the bulls eye from further back behind the line? Is that fair?
I'm done. For now.

[Chuck Beach]

Nothing is fair in life or racing ..... deal with it ..

[Bobby Zlatkin]

That's what I'm trying to do, although I realize this is not the place that will get anything done.

[Randall Klein]

I've been reluctant to join in, but what the hey.....in looking over 20 years of tickets, and I almost always go first, the worst red light has never impacted me, although I do agree it would be more fair in my personal opinion.....I really don't care one way or the other....I did see where Roy Hill benefited by the current rules (twice I think at Houston) so it does happen

Anyway, for those who are irritated by any post (regardless of agenda) why read it and continue responding?....just skip over and let it go.....opinions and posts are the "juice" that makes this site worth opening (has the old Stock Super Stock Forum gone away? I was an early paying member but the last I looked it was dead)

Finally, whether posts like the red light rule can be changed by dialogue on this site: some posters "caution" that NHRA monitors our views, and I do know that the great muffler debate was impacted by the ferocity of negative posts on the then multiple racers sites.....I sat in with a dozen racers at Earlville Raceway in a round table when the muffler thing was going the wrong way, Rob Park was there, Len Imbrogno, Bill Rink, myself, Ron Taylor, Kevin Helms, Randy & Mike Mans, Leighton Schmidt and Bob Frey....the dialogue was hot and heavy, and that session along with many petitions helped sway the momentum...later Imbrogno indicated to me that the messages boards (at that time) gave NHRA a pause to reconsider and offer round tables and discussion groups....if there were any other round table discussions, I'm not aware of them

Believe me, Imbrogno, Parks and Frey got a real earful and a real sense of the passion on that issue (chairs were knocked over, voices raised and Mr Rink was a color of red that I've not seen since....and it wasn't sunburn!....message boards opened the door to that happening

So don't just pooh pooh racers having a place to have their opinions heard.....send letters and e-mails? Singular correspondence like that just gets trashed...I've sent Glendora 7 letters since 1997, never got a response.

How about that (gee that feels better)

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Nothing is fair in life or racing ..... deal with it ..

Some things can't be made fair.... some things can.

If we don't even attempt to change the unfair things that CAN be changed, they will always stay unfair,

Then we gave to live with it for the rest of our lives.

This unfair rule was never enacted as the result of any desire to give anyone an advantage. But it did, and continues to, to this day.

I don't see any reason to put up with it. Do you?

[Ed Fernandez]

Watch out Bill,they're coming for you.