worst red light debate, again!

[Jeff Lee]

One more time Bill...Why are YOU not petitioning NHRA's for this?
Can't you stand on your own two feet and move forward? What are you afraid of?
You remind me of the guy in the back of the room prodding others to ask for longer breaks, more pay, more or less whatever, hoping that if somebody has to fall on a sword it will be somebody besides himself. Somebody with some balls get's suckered in, looses his job and your the one that says "Man, that just wasn't fair..."
Get on it today. NHRA is open another 3 hours. It's Monday. That gives more than enough time for somebody to return your phone call. Here, I'll make it easy on you:
626-914-8963 or tech@nhra.com

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

One more time Bill...Why are YOU not petitioning NHRA's for this?
Can't you stand on your own two feet and move forward? What are you afraid of?
You remind me of the guy in the back of the room prodding others to ask for longer breaks, more pay, more or less whatever, hoping that if somebody has to fall on a sword it will be somebody besides himself. Somebody with some balls get's suckered in, looses his job and your the one that says "Man, that just wasn't fair..."
Get on it today. NHRA is open another 3 hours. It's Monday. That gives more than enough time for somebody to return your phone call. Here, I'll make it easy on you:
626-914-8963 or tech@nhra.com

Jeff, this a discussion board, right? I think we can agree on that. It is not just a discussion board; it is a discussion board dedicated to the idea that non-racers have brains, too, and CAN have good ideas, and need a place to put those ideas out for public scrutiny. Ken created this board for just such a purpose. Ask him...

I have been able to, through my many posts here that explain the reasons why I think this "worse" red light idea could be an improvement over what we have, to use this board as Ken intended it.. Why anyone would object to using this board for the betterment of our sport is beyond me.

Some say it's boring, and a waste of time. That's their opinion, and they are surely within their rights to voice it here, but I would ask, "Why would anyone continue to read something that is boring, and a waste of time?" Nobody puts a gun to anyone's head and says, "READ THIS, OR I'LL SHOOT!" When I find a TV show on my television that bores me, I switch channels. There is an abundance of other subjects that are available on Class Racer that will inform, entertain, and educate... all one needs to do is click on them; nobody has to read this thread if it bores them.

Having said that, and I don't think there's anything in that paragraph that you would disagree with, doesn't it make you wonder why there are SO MANY posts here???? Somebody likes it... Somebody thinks it's worth discussing. A lot of "somebodies," apparently.

As far as NHRA/IHRA goes, I don't run a Class car right now, and the "quality" of people that I would be talking to at the "HRA's", don't have the perspective beyond "the company line" to entertain "outside the box" ideas from non-NHRA/IHRA racers, especially (given their financial state of affairs,) ideas that are going to cost them money (no matter, how little.)

No, I am sure that the first question he'd ask would be, "What is your membership number and what is your Permanent Number," as if that information would have ANY bearing on the quality of my suggestion(s).

Only by hearing it from a variety of sources, will this idea ever gain traction, and this forum is probably the best place for dispensing the kind of logic that is part and parcel of a worse red light rule.

Popular opinion will get this rule passed, eventually, if, indeed, it ever gets passed.

Talking to an Nhra/IHRA "official," who's relegated to answering the phones, isn't going to get it done. He's likely, already afraid for his job, and suggesting to his superiors a new rule that not only, won't make the national organization one thin dime, but will COST money to implement, isn't going to "enhance" his employment status at all... especially, at a time like this

It's not the right time for that methodology, I'm afraid. Maybe it will never be.

In the meantime, demonizing someone who is trying to help enact a rule that would make things more fair for everyone, and would hurt NO ONE probably isn't the best course of action...

My 2-cents.

[Ed Wright]

Bill, how are you helping enact a rule? Have you contacted the Div tech people? They can tell you who to ask for, that is not afraid of loosing his job, and are nice helpful people. O got another part number Bow Tie block approved a little over a year ago. Got it approved in less that two weeks. No message board carping, just calm friendly phone calls and one letter. Painless as can be. Won't happen here. Try to approach it like an adult.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bill, how are you helping enact a rule? Have you contacted the Div tech people? They can tell you who to ask for, that is not afraid of loosing his job, and are nice helpful people. O got another part number Bow Tie block approved a little over a year ago. Got it approved in less that two weeks. No message board carping, just calm friendly phone calls and one letter. Painless as can be. Won't happen here. Try to approach it like an adult.

Do you see any difference in the difficulty in getting a new part number approved and changing a 48 year-old rule that affects the way business is done on the starting line for EVERYONE... ??????????????

Apples and oranges. How much did it cost NHRA to approve that block?

[Ed Fernandez]

Now I see how our president got elected.Feed the mushrooms enough ***** and eventually they start believing whatever you spoon out.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Now I see how our president got elected.Feed the mushrooms enough ***** and eventually they start believing whatever you spoon out.

Typical Fernandez post; full of insults and impertinent information and NOT ONE WORD about the subject matter of the thread.

If you spent half as much time trying to understand the reasons why the current rule is a bad one, MAYBE you'd figure out that you're on a sinking ship...

Maybe not... You've had a lot of opportunities to figure this out, but are so busy thinking up new and clever ways to insult people, coherent thought doesn't have a chance...

Who do you think benefits from a post like that, Ed? It surely doesn't do YOUR image on this board any good.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Typical Fernandez post; full of insults and impertinent information and NOT ONE WORD about the subject matter of the thread.

If you spent half as much time trying to understand the reasons why the current rule is a bad one, MAYBE you'd figure out that you're on a sinking ship...

Maybe not... You've had a lot of opportunities to figure this out, but are so busy thinking up new and clever ways to insult people, coherent thought doesn't have a chance...

Who do you think benefits from a post like that, Ed? It surely doesn't do YOUR image on this board any good.

Image? Ed don't need no stinking image! He just wants to talk! Jim


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[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Typical Fernandez post; full of insults and impertinent information and NOT ONE WORD about the subject matter of the thread.

If you spent half as much time trying to understand the reasons why the current rule is a bad one, MAYBE you'd figure out that you're on a sinking ship...

Maybe not... You've had a lot of opportunities to figure this out, but are so busy thinking up new and clever ways to insult people, coherent thought doesn't have a chance...

Who do you think benefits from a post like that, Ed? It surely doesn't do YOUR image on this board any good.

I insult and make fun of people who deserve it.You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit.You're what's known in the present
world as an "advocate".That stands for meddling idiots who stick their noses into peoples lives and impact it without any consequences to themselves.If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I insult and make fun of people who deserve it.You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit.You're what's known in the present
world as an "advocate".That stands for meddling idiots who stick their noses into peoples lives and impact it without any consequences to themselves.If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less.

Gee, Ed, what am I supposed to think when I race my bracket car and a quicker car goes to the winner's circle because I red lighted, depriving him of his chance to red light???

Oh; I forgot, Ed said it won't affect me one bit.

Good... LOL!!!

You are amazing. Facts have no meaning for you.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I insult and make fun of people who deserve it.You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit.You're what's known in the present world as an "advocate".That stands for meddling idiots who stick their noses into peoples lives and impact it without any consequences to themselves.If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less.

When I responded to this note, I was in the middle of something else, and said some things I shouldn't have said. I apologize for having said those things,

What I meant to say was this:

As regards your comment, "I insult and make fun of people who deserve it."

Why do I deserve to be insulted and laughed at? For suggesting ways to make drag racing more fair for everybody? They say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Is this your effort to make that saying come true?

Your comment, "You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit."


I don't know how much you know about my social life, but "lonely," I am not. As far as, " nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit," I have told you repeatedly that the rules for Bracket racing as regards the starting line, are EXACTLY the same as Class Racing rules, so, when I race (and, I do) it WILL affect me. If it didn't, I wouldn't be here. I have told you THAT, repeatedly too... don't you listen?


You commented, "You're what's known in the present world as an "advocate."
I think that's an apt description. The online business dictionary says, "Advocate... A person who supports a cause and exercises his right to be heard..."

That's me, all right!


RE: Your comment, " If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less."

No, I am a person who suffers under the same, universal, unfair set of rules that entail having an undue share of red light jeopardy foisted upon me, just like almost everybody else (cars that are never first-to-leave, excepted.) You, are a masochistic, "stomp me again; I LIKE IT" racer who has no concept of fairness or parity. Just because YOU have no objection to getting kicked in the face over and over again, doesn't mean that everybody enjoys that kind of abuse. Think of somebody besides yourself for a change...

There's no excuse for name-calling and abusive behavior on this BB. People who stoop to that, just admit intellectual bankrupty... Check out the "subject" line, up top...