worst red light debate, again!

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Now I see how our president got elected.Feed the mushrooms enough ***** and eventually they start believing whatever you spoon out.

Typical Fernandez post; full of insults and impertinent information and NOT ONE WORD about the subject matter of the thread.

If you spent half as much time trying to understand the reasons why the current rule is a bad one, MAYBE you'd figure out that you're on a sinking ship...

Maybe not... You've had a lot of opportunities to figure this out, but are so busy thinking up new and clever ways to insult people, coherent thought doesn't have a chance...

Who do you think benefits from a post like that, Ed? It surely doesn't do YOUR image on this board any good.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Typical Fernandez post; full of insults and impertinent information and NOT ONE WORD about the subject matter of the thread.

If you spent half as much time trying to understand the reasons why the current rule is a bad one, MAYBE you'd figure out that you're on a sinking ship...

Maybe not... You've had a lot of opportunities to figure this out, but are so busy thinking up new and clever ways to insult people, coherent thought doesn't have a chance...

Who do you think benefits from a post like that, Ed? It surely doesn't do YOUR image on this board any good.

Image? Ed don't need no stinking image! He just wants to talk! Jim


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[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Typical Fernandez post; full of insults and impertinent information and NOT ONE WORD about the subject matter of the thread.

If you spent half as much time trying to understand the reasons why the current rule is a bad one, MAYBE you'd figure out that you're on a sinking ship...

Maybe not... You've had a lot of opportunities to figure this out, but are so busy thinking up new and clever ways to insult people, coherent thought doesn't have a chance...

Who do you think benefits from a post like that, Ed? It surely doesn't do YOUR image on this board any good.

I insult and make fun of people who deserve it.You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit.You're what's known in the present
world as an "advocate".That stands for meddling idiots who stick their noses into peoples lives and impact it without any consequences to themselves.If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I insult and make fun of people who deserve it.You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit.You're what's known in the present
world as an "advocate".That stands for meddling idiots who stick their noses into peoples lives and impact it without any consequences to themselves.If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less.

Gee, Ed, what am I supposed to think when I race my bracket car and a quicker car goes to the winner's circle because I red lighted, depriving him of his chance to red light???

Oh; I forgot, Ed said it won't affect me one bit.

Good... LOL!!!

You are amazing. Facts have no meaning for you.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I insult and make fun of people who deserve it.You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit.You're what's known in the present world as an "advocate".That stands for meddling idiots who stick their noses into peoples lives and impact it without any consequences to themselves.If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less.

When I responded to this note, I was in the middle of something else, and said some things I shouldn't have said. I apologize for having said those things,

What I meant to say was this:

As regards your comment, "I insult and make fun of people who deserve it."

Why do I deserve to be insulted and laughed at? For suggesting ways to make drag racing more fair for everybody? They say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Is this your effort to make that saying come true?

Your comment, "You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit."


I don't know how much you know about my social life, but "lonely," I am not. As far as, " nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit," I have told you repeatedly that the rules for Bracket racing as regards the starting line, are EXACTLY the same as Class Racing rules, so, when I race (and, I do) it WILL affect me. If it didn't, I wouldn't be here. I have told you THAT, repeatedly too... don't you listen?


You commented, "You're what's known in the present world as an "advocate."
I think that's an apt description. The online business dictionary says, "Advocate... A person who supports a cause and exercises his right to be heard..."

That's me, all right!


RE: Your comment, " If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less."

No, I am a person who suffers under the same, universal, unfair set of rules that entail having an undue share of red light jeopardy foisted upon me, just like almost everybody else (cars that are never first-to-leave, excepted.) You, are a masochistic, "stomp me again; I LIKE IT" racer who has no concept of fairness or parity. Just because YOU have no objection to getting kicked in the face over and over again, doesn't mean that everybody enjoys that kind of abuse. Think of somebody besides yourself for a change...

There's no excuse for name-calling and abusive behavior on this BB. People who stoop to that, just admit intellectual bankrupty... Check out the "subject" line, up top...

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

When I responded to this note, I was in the middle of something else, and said some things I shouldn't have said. I apologize for having said those things,

What I meant to say was this:

As regards your comment, "I insult and make fun of people who deserve it."

Why do I deserve to be insulted and laughed at? For suggesting ways to make drag racing more fair for everybody? They say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Is this your effort to make that saying come true?

Your comment, "You're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit."


I don't know how much you know about my social life, but "lonely," I am not. As far as, " nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit," I have told you repeatedly that the rules for Bracket racing as regards the starting line, are EXACTLY the same as Class Racing rules, so, when I race (and, I do) it WILL affect me. If it didn't, I wouldn't be here. I have told you THAT, repeatedly too... don't you listen?


You commented, "You're what's known in the present world as an "advocate."
I think that's an apt description. The online business dictionary says, "Advocate... A person who supports a cause and exercises his right to be heard..."

That's me, all right!


RE: Your comment, " If you were a current of future S/SS racer I would have engaged in a civil discussion.But you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less."

No, I am a person who suffers under the same, universal, unfair set of rules that entail having an undue share of red light jeopardy foisted upon me, just like almost everybody else (cars that are never first-to-leave, excepted.) You, are a masochistic, "stomp me again; I LIKE IT" racer who has no concept of fairness or parity. Just because YOU have no objection to getting kicked in the face over and over again, doesn't mean that everybody enjoys that kind of abuse. Think of somebody besides yourself for a change...

There's no excuse for name-calling and abusive behavior on this BB. People who stoop to that, just admit intellectual bankrupty... Check out the "subject" line, up top...

Get this through your thick skull.It affects me as a Stock racer.It affects you as a BRACKET RACER.You can't race at Englishtown and other national/divisional events because you are a BRACKET RACER,not a CLASS RACER.If I wanted to bracket race my car and the rule was changed in favor of your agenda then whoop de doo,maybe I'd
steal a race or two in the next 50 years.
Like I and others have said,if you want the rule changed in BRACKET RACING,call or email NHRA.But you shouldn't speak for racers who are in a different series than you race in,if you even race any more.
Get it now?????????

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Get this through your thick skull.It affects me as a Stock racer.It affects you as a BRACKET RACER.You can't race at Englishtown and other national/divisional events because you are a BRACKET RACER,not a CLASS RACER.If I wanted to bracket race my car and the rule was changed in favor of your agenda then whoop de doo,maybe I'd
steal a race or two in the next 50 years.
Like I and others have said,if you want the rule changed in BRACKET RACING,call or email NHRA.But you shouldn't speak for racers who are in a different series than you race in,if you even race any more.
Get it now?????????

You mean there is a different result if you red light in a Class race than if you red light in a Bracket race?

Funny; I thought you lost both races.... right then.

How is this different?

How do you call it "stealing a race" when your infraction is less than your competitor's, in breakouts OR red lights???

Same deal.... worse is worse.

[jimi]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

when i responded to this note, i was in the middle of something else, and said some things i shouldn't have said. I apologize for having said those things,

what i meant to say was this:

As regards your comment, "i insult and make fun of people who deserve it."

why do i deserve to be insulted and laughed at? For suggesting ways to make drag racing more fair for everybody? They say, "no good deed goes unpunished." is this your effort to make that saying come true?

Your comment, "you're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit."


i don't know how much you know about my social life, but "lonely," i am not. As far as, " nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit," i have told you repeatedly that the rules for bracket racing as regards the starting line, are exactly the same as class racing rules, so, when i race (and, i do) it will affect me. If it didn't, i wouldn't be here. I have told you that, repeatedly too... Don't you listen?


You commented, "you're what's known in the present world as an "advocate."
i think that's an apt description. The online business dictionary says, "advocate... A person who supports a cause and exercises his right to be heard..."

that's me, all right!


Re: Your comment, " if you were a current of future s/ss racer i would have engaged in a civil discussion.but you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less."

no, i am a person who suffers under the same, universal, unfair set of rules that entail having an undue share of red light jeopardy foisted upon me, just like almost everybody else (cars that are never first-to-leave, excepted.) you, are a masochistic, "stomp me again; i like it" racer who has no concept of fairness or parity. Just because you have no objection to getting kicked in the face over and over again, doesn't mean that everybody enjoys that kind of abuse. Think of somebody besides yourself for a change...

There's no excuse for name-calling and abusive behavior on this bb. People who stoop to that, just admit intellectual bankrupty... Check out the "subject" line, up top...

hey bill i think it is time for you to retire!!!!!! Its getting old and all you do is complain!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incase you have not gotten it yet nobody! Let me repeat that................. Nobody cares that you think the rules are unfair !!!!!!! Could you hear that ? Wait turn up your hearing aid!!!!! I dont care what you think and from reading this post most people dont either!!!!!! Lay it to rest and move on to something else that is not complaining.

[Bob Mulry]

[jimi..hey bill i think it is time for you to retire!!!!!! Its getting old and all you do is complain!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incase you have not gotten it yet nobody! Let me repeat that................. Nobody cares that you think the rules are unfair !!!!!!! Could you hear that ? Wait turn up your hearing aid!!!!! I dont care what you think and from reading this post most people dont either!!!!!! Lay it to rest and move on to something else that is not complaining.]

Jimi,

I believe that you are a cowardly, disrespectful POS, who doesn't use their real name to post..

Ed is some of the above, but at least he uses his name........

Bob

[Ed Fernandez]

Bob.I've read a lot of your posts and agreed with some of them and not others.I haven't
gotten to deep into any subject on Classracer,
gave my opinion and then tryed to give some levity after that.
This red light thread is different.If Dedman was an anyway affected by this rule as a S/SS racer I could see his un ending posts.He is a bracket racer.He says he bracket races.He
does not race a class car in the Lucas Oil sportsman series.If he wants to bust NHRAs balls in the Summit Racing Series,more power to him.Why should he try to get rules changed in a series he's not a participant in?Answer that for me.
As far as labeling me,I could give 2 $hits less.I'm a big boy and I've been called worse.Like you said,at least I use my name,unlike Bill's new no name supporter.or I should
say athletic supporter.