Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[JHeath]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Actually, I am saying there shouldn't be change. The class itself should not be fundamentally changed. Stock Eliminator was never intended to have purpose built race cars as part of the class. It's really simple. You can't mix production street driven combinations with purpose built race cars. There was a time when NHRA knew this. Purpose built factory race cars were put in Super Stock or Factory Experimental classes, where they belonged.

Face the facts here. You cannot properly factor purpose built race cars to make them work in Stock Eliminator.

First off, the last thing we need is 6.0 pound per HP cars on 9" tires running 8 second elapsed times in Stock Eliminator. Even at 7.0 pounds per HP, if they were to do that, you'll soon have 3700 pound cars on 9" slicks running 8.90 ET's. Why? Because the index for the 7.0 class is going to get set really low, because they want to go really fast, and NHRA apparently has no qualms at all about giving them what they want.

Further, what they'll really want, and they've already asked for, is 6.0-6.5 pound classes. That's Super Stock A and B territory. Think about that for a minute. It took a full ten years, and a new class a half pound per HP lighter, for Stock Eliminator to go from Bobby DeArmond's legendary 9.99 in A/SA to a few cars in AA/SA running in the 9.50 zone. And two tenths of that five tenth ET drop came from taking 200 pounds out of the cars. Now we have A/SA cars running 9.50, and they're sandbagging.

Second, so long as the factory can "make" any car or engine they want with a pen and a piece of paper, you can't keep them factored. The AHFS barely works as it is, often only working at Indy for class. Read the rule: OEM may apply for inclusion of ANY SPECIAL PRODUCTION RUNS into the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special runs must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedence. Every year, they can simply make minor changes, and get a new factor.

Factory race cars need their own class, just like they had for years. Stock Eliminator is not that class. Sure, new cars should be in Stock Eliminator. New production showroom available cars. Stock Eliminator needs to return to the original concept.

Alan, doesn't your wife have anything better for you to do? I've seen this exact post a dozen times within the past two weeks! We get it! You hate these new cars and want Stock Eliminator to be "69 Camaro Eliminator" for the rest of our lives. Copying in that paragraph from the rulebook over and over and over again on here isn't going to get the HP factors fixed, or the cars put in their own class, or even banished from Stock Eliminator like you seem to want so badly. Give it a rest already!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by JHeath

Alan, doesn't your wife have anything better for you to do? I've seen this exact post a dozen times within the past two weeks! We get it! You hate these new cars and want Stock Eliminator to be "69 Camaro Eliminator" for the rest of our lives. Copying in that paragraph from the rulebook over and over and over again on here isn't going to get the HP factors fixed, or the cars put in their own class, or even banished from Stock Eliminator like you seem to want so badly. Give it a rest already!

I've never posted that before, ever. Not even once. Never mind a dozen times in two weeks.

I don't hate the new cars at all.

I don't care anything about it being "69 Camaro Eliminator". I don't particularly like 69 Camaros, the guy I race with does.

Try getting your facts straight, as opposed to resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration.

[JHeath]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I've never posted that before, ever. Not even once. Never mind a dozen times in two weeks.

I don't hate the new cars at all.

I don't care anything about it being "69 Camaro Eliminator". I don't particularly like 69 Camaros, the guy I race with does.

Try getting your facts straight, as opposed to resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration.

Sorry, you were right, I checked my facts. You've only posted six times in this thread that the new cars can't be registered at the DMV or don't have VINs or are factory built race cars or go against the premise of Stock Eliminator or are making old cars obsolete or whatever your argument is. I'm sure everybody understood you the first time.

If you don't hate these new cars, why are you wasting so much time writing up essays on how they don't deserve to be in Stock?

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by JHeath

Sorry, you were right, I checked my facts. You've only posted six times in this thread that the new cars can't be registered at the DMV or don't have VINs or are factory built race cars or go against the premise of Stock Eliminator or are making old cars obsolete or whatever your argument is. I'm sure everybody understood you the first time.

If you don't hate these new cars, why are you wasting so much time writing up essays on how they don't deserve to be in Stock?

LOL So true Jerry, I am pretty sure he has been carrying on with this endless drivel for a year or longer. I think he was even quoted in an article on Competition Plus about a year ago covering the topic.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

LOL So true Jerry, I am pretty sure he has been carrying on with this endless drivel for a year or longer. I think he was even quoted in an article on Competition Plus about a year ago covering the topic.

Endless drivel? Really? Unlike you, I actually work on two cars for a customer who has to compete directly with the new cars. Competition Plus called me and did an interview.

The very best you have is childish name calling, you have nothing at all to add to the discussion. Mostly because you have nothing even remotely factual to back up anything you say. How helpful and mature you are.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Endless drivel? Really? Unlike you, I actually work on two cars for a customer who has to compete directly with the new cars. Competition Plus called me and did an interview.

The very best you have is childish name calling, you have nothing at all to add to the discussion. Mostly because you have nothing even remotely factual to back up anything you say. How helpful and mature you are.

First of all Alan I havent called you any name other than Alan. No name caling from me I out grew that a long time ago. If I remember right I posted 5th in this thread and made a general statement about times changing, that I liked the old cars and that it is expensive to class race no matter what car you bring to the table, all of which are true statements. Then you came a long and started in on me about how I dont get it and I will never understand because I dont race a stocker(how mature is that?), and how its not like it was 40 years ago. You Know what Alan? You are right, It isnt like it was 40 years ago and that is exactly what I said. You need to get over that fact and yourself.
Here are the facts: the game has changed like it or not. It may change back to the way it used to be, or it may stay the same. You can change with it or you can retire and throw fits on the message boards and in the end there will still be drag racing and more than likely stock eliminator will be a part of that........it just may not be like you want it to be.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

First of all Alan I havent called you any name other than Alan. No name caling from me I out grew that a long time ago. If I remember right I posted 5th in this thread and made a general statement about times changing, that I liked the old cars and that it is expensive to class race no matter what car you bring to the table, all of which are true statements. Then you came a long and started in on me about how I dont get it and I will never understand because I dont race a stocker(how mature is that?), and how its not like it was 40 years ago. You Know what Alan? You are right, It isnt like it was 40 years ago and that is exactly what I said. You need to get over that fact and yourself.
Here are the facts: the game has changed like it or not. It may change back to the way it used to be, or it may stay the same. You can change with it or you can retire and throw fits on the message boards and in the end there will still be drag racing and more than likely stock eliminator will be a part of that........it just may not be like you want it to be.

Read the post I replied to again, and see if you can pick out the tone and personal insults. Just like this message, where you accuse people of "throwing fits". That's all you've got, no facts, just attempts to insult.

Together with my customer, we worked for 4 years to develop a competitive car, only to have NHRA pencil his $60K plus investment right into obsolescence. You go right ahead and tell me how well you understand that. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it's you. Good luck with that.

No, we won't be quitting, we won't be retiring, and we won't be silenced, certainly not by people who have no dog in the fight. Sorry to disappoint you. But guys like Bruce, Mark, Billy, Greg Hill, and I will go right on stating the facts, and making the case for what we know is right. If that bothers you, too bad, ignore it, or live with it. It makes no difference to us. We'll fight for what we believe in, for the good of the sport.