4-wide Pro red lights

[bigshow2966]

If you're worried about leaving first you can do 2 things:

1. Build a faster car.

2. Learn how to drive the one you have.

Actually you should just sell the car. You haven't even taken it to the track yet and you're already whining about fast cars having an unfair advantage. As long as you feel that way, you've already beaten yourself.

The other side is that when you do draw a fast car he has to judge you at the big end,

I'd rather have a shot at a clean tree myself.

[bill dedman]

Big Show sed:

"If you're worried about leaving first you can do 2 things:

1. Build a faster car.

2. Learn how to drive the one you have."

How do either of these suggestions apply to the omnipresent situation in which the first-to-leave car is required to race under the current rule that guarantees an unequal chance of winning (100% red light jeopardy for the first car to leave, with NO red light jeopardy for the second car to leave, should the first car bulb)???????

They don't apply. When Christmas Tree "handicapped racing" was new, there was a time when the first car to break out was the automatic loser .

The "whiners" got that changed into the long-standing system that is now used, wherein the car that breaks out the most loses. It's done with software. No software existed at that time, that could compare red lights. So, NHRA did the only thing they could and created the "first or worst" rule.. but, there never has been a "worst." It's always the "first red light loses."

Now, we COULD have a "worst red light loses rule," since the software now exists to make it work, and is installed on at least SOME of the Comp-U-Link computers in use..

But we're still stuck in the past, with this antiquated "first-or worst" rule, which has no "worst," as currently practiced; it's just the FIRST...

They fixed the "first can to breakout" inequity when the software to make it possible to compare the two breakouts was developed

Now that the software exists to make it posible to fix the red light problem, why not fix it, too? Let's make it fair for everybody..

As far as " when you do draw a fast car he has to judge you at the big end,".

It is universally accepted that the car that is going faster at the finish line has the advantage insofar as "driving the stripe" goes. That's why you see 1,000-horsepower Super-category cars running active throttle stops in the .90 classes, so they can be the faster car at the finish line; it's an advantage. Don't try to turn that into an advantage for a slower car... it isn't.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Big Show sed:

"If you're worried about leaving first you can do 2 things:

1. Build a faster car.

2. Learn how to drive the one you have."

How do either of these suggestions apply to the omnipresent situation in which the first-to-leave car is required to race under the current rule that guarantees an unequal chance of winning (100% red light jeopardy for the first car to leave, with NO red light jeopardy for the second car to leave, should the first car bulb)???????

They don't apply. When Christmas Tree "handicapped racing" was new, there was a time when the first car to break out was the automatic loser .

The "whiners" got that changed into the long-standing system that is now used, wherein the car that breaks out the most loses. It's done with software. No software existed at that time, that could compare red lights. So, NHRA did the only thing they could and created the "first or worst" rule.. but, there never has been a "worst." It's always the "first red light loses."

Now, we COULD have a "worst red light loses rule," since the software now exists to make it work, and is installed on at least SOME of the Comp-U-Link computers in use..

But we're still stuck in the past, with this antiquated "first-or worst" rule, which has no "worst," as currently practiced; it's just the FIRST...

They fixed the "first can to breakout" inequity when the software to make it possible to compare the two breakouts was developed

Now that the software exists to make it posible to fix the red light problem, why not fix it, too? Let's make it fair for everybody..

As far as " when you do draw a fast car he has to judge you at the big end,".

It is universally accepted that the car that is going faster at the finish line has the advantage insofar as "driving the stripe" goes. That's why you see 1,000-horsepower Super-category cars running active throttle stops in the .90 classes, so they can be the faster car at the finish line; it's an advantage. Don't try to turn that into an advantage for a slower car... it isn't.

Bill, I've said this a million times. It's the same as every other form of handicapped drag racing. If stock/SS were the only classes that had it that way, then your argument might carry some weight. Again, go work on the majority, the bracket racers. If they were to switch, I'm sure stock/SS would follow suit. But, since you'd get laughed out oF town by them, you just post your brain dead drivel here.


And you knew what you were doing when you started this thread, don't be disingenuous.

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

you just post your brain dead drivel here..

Be like the BIG TIME racer who driving DAD'S car didn't check the dial board and WHINED about it !!!
Want racers only ? Then go to the section FOR RACERS ONLY !!
It's not been used for a long time.... :-)

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by John L Kelley

Be like the BIG TIME racer who driving DAD'S car didn't check the dial board and WHINED about it !!!
Want racers only ? Then go to the section FOR RACERS ONLY !!
It's not been used for a long time.... :-)

Excuse you? I'm pretty sure my dad has raced the same black vette for damn near 40 years. You need to learn what the **** you're talking about before your run your mouth. As for the dial in matter, I'm not the blind SOB that can't read any of the 4 sides of a car, and when it appeared that another racer was given a different treatment for the same issue, I did what anyone else would do an go to the tower. Now if you like to run your mouth about me anymore please come over and do it at a race, or I can message you turn by turn directions

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

As for the dial in matter, I'm not the blind SOB that can't read any of the 4 sides of a car, and when it appeared that another racer was given a different treatment for the same issue, I did what anyone else would do an go to the tower.

YOUR job is to CHECK your DIAL....FIRST & FOREMOST.......not run the tower blaming everyone but the driver.....

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by John L Kelley

YOUR job is to CHECK your DIAL....FIRST & FOREMOST.......not run the tower blaming everyone but the driver.....

The dial in boards in the burnout box were not on. And I do realize the rule and accept that with no problem. My issue was the possibility that another racer was treated differently in a similar situation. That's why I went up to the tower. I did make sure that every official saw that my dial was the same on all for windows. I lost, it happens. It's over and in the past. Your attempt to bash me with it only shows how small of a person you are