Factory Showdown at INDY

[cambria]

if I have learned anything since I returned to racing it is that there will always be whiners unless they are top dog . A pro stock or pro mod guy can spend hundreds of thousands and it's ok stock or ss guy spends a 100 k or more and they are chastised you can' t win so for me I am just going to enjoy my car and build it to beat Bo and foghorn leghorns rods. The moaners can take their negative carping elsewhere I just wanna have fun and hope the other drivers do too . Coming soon to a track near you Cambria's COPO

[D.Johns]

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Very true. No matter what class, no matter what sanctioning body there will always be someone crying foul if their car isn't top dog. That's just the way it is. Everyone hates a winner but everyone wants to be one.

No work required lol if that's true I have a lot of explaining to do to the wife about all the hours at work, shop, track and behind the computer with my spreadsheets and calculator

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by cambria

if I have learned anything since I returned to racing it is that there will always be whiners unless they are top dog . A pro stock or pro mod guy can spend hundreds of thousands and it's ok stock or ss guy spends a 100 k or more and they are chastised you can' t win so for me I am just going to enjoy my car and build it to beat Bo and foghorn leghorns rods. The moaners can take their negative carping elsewhere I just wanna have fun and hope the other drivers do too . Coming soon to a track near you Cambria's COPO

You are the perfect guy for these new cars. But you can't control this site and you certainly will not get away with telling us to button up. That will bring more attention to this corrupt little scam.

You should start your own site - wearerichguyssoshoveitifyoudontlikeit.com.

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

You are the perfect guy for these new cars. But you can't control this site and you certainly will not get away with telling us to button up. That will bring more attention to this corrupt little scam.

You should start your own site - wearerichguyssoshoveitifyoudontlikeit.com.

And what will the web site for the complainers be called

idlikesomecheesewiththat whine.com

The car I drive for a friend of mine isn't near as fast as the top runners. But instead of me bitching about it, I am impressed with the preformance they have achieved because I know how hard we have worked to get to where we are, so I can only imagine how hard they have to work. One thing I can say is that even as fast as Don is with his 08 stick car, I have given him some advise and helped him get his better, and he has done the same for me. Talked to Bo Kenny at Atlanta and he gave me some advise as well about fuel and timing.
Bruce, I know you do not like the new cars, we all know that, but give it a rest. All the bitching isn't going to make them go away, matter of fact, it looks like with the copo there are going to be even more out there
You have chosen to run your combo and others have chosen theirs. It's time to agree to disagree and move on.
Chuck

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

And what will the web site for the complainers be called

idlikesomecheesewiththat whine.com

The car I drive for a friend of mine isn't near as fast as the top runners. But instead of me bitching about it, I am impressed with the preformance they have achieved because I know how hard we have worked to get to where we are, so I can only imagine how hard they have to work. One thing I can say is that even as fast as Don is with his 08 stick car, I have given him some advise and helped him get his better, and he has done the same for me. Talked to Bo Kenny at Atlanta and he gave me some advise as well about fuel and timing.
Bruce, I know you do not like the new cars, we all know that, but give it a rest. All the bitching isn't going to make them go away, matter of fact, it looks like with the copo there are going to be even more out there
You have chosen to run your combo and others have chosen theirs. It's time to agree to disagree and move on.
Chuck

Our site would be called: legitimatecomplaintsagainstarrogantoldmen.com

Move on? I'm sure that is what you would like to happen, since it appears you have gotten your way. But it isn't going to happen. Be prepared to hear about it for a long time.

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Our site would be called: legitimatecomplaintsagainstarrogantoldmen.com

Move on? I'm sure that is what you would like to happen, since it appears you have gotten your way. But it isn't going to happen. Be prepared to hear about it for a long time.

Bruce, how did I get my way? First off, I am a long way away from being anywhere close to the fast guys. Second, at the et we are at, there are a lot of the older cars that are faster than I am. So enlighten me. Like I said, the fast guy's have invested a lot of time and money. Or is that what really bothers you, maybe you have the time, but not the money, to be as fast as you want to be. Or were you once king, and now you're not? How many heads up have you been a part of lately with the new cars? Like has been said by many, they for the most part are in there own class. There may still be a few in the lower classes, but not many. This thread was supposed to be about them running in their own class.
Chuck

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

Bruce, how did I get my way? First off, I am a long way away from being anywhere close to the fast guys. Second, at the et we are at, there are a lot of the older cars that are faster than I am. So enlighten me. Like I said, the fast guy's have invested a lot of time and money. Or is that what really bothers you, maybe you have the time, but not the money, to be as fast as you want to be. Or were you once king, and now you're not? How many heads up have you been a part of lately with the new cars? Like has been said by many, they for the most part are in there own class. There may still be a few in the lower classes, but not many. This thread was supposed to be about them running in their own class.
Chuck

Time and money are not the problem when comparing new cars and old cars, physics is the problem. No matter how much time or money I spend on my car, or anyone spends on their pre-2008 car, it will not be as fast as the new cars that are given equal treatment.

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Time and money are not the problem when comparing new cars and old cars, physics is the problem. No matter how much time or money I spend on my car, or anyone spends on their pre-2008 car, it will not be as fast as the new cars that are given equal treatment.

I stated that way earlier in this thread. The advancements are way more than the power under the hood. Thats why I also stated earlier, that if one person chooses one combo and someone else chooses a differant combo, don't bitch about their choice when everyone has a choice when they build what they like. The argument about it took 40 years of development for my camaro to be where it is took hard work and now with the new cars you don't need 40 years of blood sweat and tears holds no argument with me either. If I or anyone else were to start building a 1969 camaro today, would we use 1969 technoligy or 2012? Should I not be able to use what has been figured out by people a lot smarter than me? Or am I supposed to start from scratch and figure it out all on my own?
Chuck

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

Bruce, how did I get my way? First off, I am a long way away from being anywhere close to the fast guys. Second, at the et we are at, there are a lot of the older cars that are faster than I am. So enlighten me. Like I said, the fast guy's have invested a lot of time and money. Or is that what really bothers you, maybe you have the time, but not the money, to be as fast as you want to be. Or were you once king, and now you're not? How many heads up have you been a part of lately with the new cars? Like has been said by many, they for the most part are in there own class. There may still be a few in the lower classes, but not many. This thread was supposed to be about them running in their own class.
Chuck

Chuck,
You got your way by running these cars in Stock. These cars arrived with a heavy gift factor. I know it is hard for you to understand the way many of us feel since you are coming into Stock with a new car. And as you said you had no interest in Stock before the CJ.

The new cars a short term cash cow for nhra and maybe a lot of fun for the folks who can afford them. What happens after you folks are finished playing? What is left?

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Chuck,
You got your way by running these cars in Stock. These cars arrived with a heavy gift factor. I know it is hard for you to understand the way many of us feel since you are coming into Stock with a new car. And as you said you had no interest in Stock before the CJ.

The new cars a short term cash cow for nhra and maybe a lot of fun for the folks who can afford them. What happens after you folks are finished playing? What is left?

Bruce, I don't know that they arrived with a heavy gift factor. Are the engines efficient? yes. Do they have a lot of technology in them, yes. One thing I do know, It wasn't Ford that was trying to get over on people. The guy that owns the car that I drive has a lot of friends in higher ups at Ford and they refused to give out any info with the computers and management systems. It wasn't until people were able to modify the factory computer ( which was no easy feat) as well as others designing aftermarket systems that things took off. Ford was pretty upset at a lot of people that started running fast, because that was not their intent.
Like I said earlier, I grew up in the muscle car era and love the old muscle cars. People like fast cars, and there are a lot of older combo's that are fast. There is a lot of innovated people in stock and what they can do with some combo's is very impressive. But does that mean I would ever have the desire to drive a world record holding V6 impala? No, that doesn't interest me.
Chuck