Factory Showdown at INDY

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Ed Wright can answer that. It would have been about halfway through his racing career.

They weren't in the same class as my '56.

Your not funny. Well, kinda. LOL

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by cutta

Are there not other classes out there that are just as bogus as the new cars? Could've sworn there was care that went 2+ sec under at the CIC race in Belle Rose. Why are we not bashing any of the other soft index classes? Do they not deserve the same repercussions? Were these other cars not afforded the same advantages since NHRA provided them with an under-factored engine combo? Also, were the higher classes being created not a proper median resolution? Is that really not enough? What is enough? Would if fix any problems significant enough to create financial, economic, or class growth?

Cutta, you're referring to Bob Shaw's U/SA Cadillac.

The difference between other cars that run WAY under, and the new cars (CJ/DP/COPO), is that, with the older cars could buy them, as is, from your local dealer. Insure them, inspect them, license them, and drive them home. None of which are true with the 2008 and newer cars.

THAT, is the main bone of contention. I said, years ago, if you could not buy a car, as is, from your local dealership, license it, register it, insure it, and legally drive it home, it doesn't belong in Stock. It should be S/S-only, like the Hemi's, '69 hi-po AMX, T-bolts (pre-2007), etc.

[cambria]

if I have learned anything since I returned to racing it is that there will always be whiners unless they are top dog . A pro stock or pro mod guy can spend hundreds of thousands and it's ok stock or ss guy spends a 100 k or more and they are chastised you can' t win so for me I am just going to enjoy my car and build it to beat Bo and foghorn leghorns rods. The moaners can take their negative carping elsewhere I just wanna have fun and hope the other drivers do too . Coming soon to a track near you Cambria's COPO

[D.Johns]

^^^
Very true. No matter what class, no matter what sanctioning body there will always be someone crying foul if their car isn't top dog. That's just the way it is. Everyone hates a winner but everyone wants to be one.

No work required lol if that's true I have a lot of explaining to do to the wife about all the hours at work, shop, track and behind the computer with my spreadsheets and calculator

[Mike Fuller]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Cutta, you're referring to Bob Shaw's U/SA Cadillac.

The difference between other cars that run WAY under, and the new cars (CJ/DP/COPO), is that, with the older cars could buy them, as is, from your local dealer. Insure them, inspect them, license them, and drive them home. None of which are true with the 2008 and newer cars.

THAT, is the main bone of contention. I said, years ago, if you could not buy a car, as is, from your local dealership, license it, register it, insure it, and legally drive it home, it doesn't belong in Stock. It should be S/S-only, like the Hemi's, '69 hi-po AMX, T-bolts (pre-2007), etc.

Mike, putting them in a FX class would also go a long way towards equalizing the performance advantage that they have over the real stock cars.They could run in stock eliminator but would only run heads up against other A/FX,B/FX,C/FX, D/FX, E/FX cars. Is this not the way it was done in the 1960's?

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by cambria

if I have learned anything since I returned to racing it is that there will always be whiners unless they are top dog . A pro stock or pro mod guy can spend hundreds of thousands and it's ok stock or ss guy spends a 100 k or more and they are chastised you can' t win so for me I am just going to enjoy my car and build it to beat Bo and foghorn leghorns rods. The moaners can take their negative carping elsewhere I just wanna have fun and hope the other drivers do too . Coming soon to a track near you Cambria's COPO

You are the perfect guy for these new cars. But you can't control this site and you certainly will not get away with telling us to button up. That will bring more attention to this corrupt little scam.

You should start your own site - wearerichguyssoshoveitifyoudontlikeit.com.

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

You are the perfect guy for these new cars. But you can't control this site and you certainly will not get away with telling us to button up. That will bring more attention to this corrupt little scam.

You should start your own site - wearerichguyssoshoveitifyoudontlikeit.com.

And what will the web site for the complainers be called

idlikesomecheesewiththat whine.com

The car I drive for a friend of mine isn't near as fast as the top runners. But instead of me bitching about it, I am impressed with the preformance they have achieved because I know how hard we have worked to get to where we are, so I can only imagine how hard they have to work. One thing I can say is that even as fast as Don is with his 08 stick car, I have given him some advise and helped him get his better, and he has done the same for me. Talked to Bo Kenny at Atlanta and he gave me some advise as well about fuel and timing.
Bruce, I know you do not like the new cars, we all know that, but give it a rest. All the bitching isn't going to make them go away, matter of fact, it looks like with the copo there are going to be even more out there
You have chosen to run your combo and others have chosen theirs. It's time to agree to disagree and move on.
Chuck

[D.Johns]

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Mike, putting them in a FX class would also go a long way towards equalizing the performance advantage that they have over the real stock cars.They could run in stock eliminator but would only run heads up against other A/FX,B/FX,C/FX, D/FX, E/FX cars. Is this not the way it was done in the 1960's?

I kinda like this idea of putting them in their own class and letting them run heads up format. They could call it Supercar Showdown or Factory Showdown or something along that lines? I thought there was a thread about that somewhere? Lol I'm just kidding around.

But in all seriousness I'd like to see that happen especially because it's heads-up. The problem I see with it is at divisional races the new cars aren't 16+ at every event to have a field specific for them at all events. There is also the issue of trying to even the competition between the NA/V10/SC/Big SC(or leave them in SS?). You could run it off index and record is index? I like that idea but the issue is limited people running the new cars(although car counts are coming up). How many of the old cars run in AAA/AA/BB/CC where a most of the new cars are ending up? That's a serious question on my part as I don't know without scoping out the classification guide hours on end.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

And what will the web site for the complainers be called

idlikesomecheesewiththat whine.com

The car I drive for a friend of mine isn't near as fast as the top runners. But instead of me bitching about it, I am impressed with the preformance they have achieved because I know how hard we have worked to get to where we are, so I can only imagine how hard they have to work. One thing I can say is that even as fast as Don is with his 08 stick car, I have given him some advise and helped him get his better, and he has done the same for me. Talked to Bo Kenny at Atlanta and he gave me some advise as well about fuel and timing.
Bruce, I know you do not like the new cars, we all know that, but give it a rest. All the bitching isn't going to make them go away, matter of fact, it looks like with the copo there are going to be even more out there
You have chosen to run your combo and others have chosen theirs. It's time to agree to disagree and move on.
Chuck

Our site would be called: legitimatecomplaintsagainstarrogantoldmen.com

Move on? I'm sure that is what you would like to happen, since it appears you have gotten your way. But it isn't going to happen. Be prepared to hear about it for a long time.

[Mike Fuller]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

I kinda like this idea of putting them in their own class and letting them run heads up format. They could call it Supercar Showdown or Factory Showdown or something along that lines? I thought there was a thread about that somewhere? Lol I'm just kidding around.

But in all seriousness I'd like to see that happen especially because it's heads-up. The problem I see with it is at divisional races the new cars aren't 16+ at every event to have a field specific for them at all events. There is also the issue of trying to even the competition between the NA/V10/SC/Big SC(or leave them in SS?). You could run it off index and record is index? I like that idea but the issue is limited people running the new cars(although car counts are coming up). How many of the old cars run in AAA/AA/BB/CC where a most of the new cars are ending up? That's a serious question on my part as I don't know without scoping out the classification guide hours on end.

You misunderstood the idea I was trying to project. What I meant is the cars should be classified in the FX classes but run them in stock eliminator on thier own index. Didn't they do it that way in the 1960's?

I think we are getting off the thread's theme.