Bring back super/mod...

[randy wilson]

I suggest solid roller cam, because in the long run, are less cost. 750 legal carb, cast available to the public intake, no external work, steel, or aluminum rods, cost would be the same, any stroke to avoid teardowns, angle milling, and polishing combustion chamber, any valve job not to go lower then manufacturers cnc cut, no crank trigger, vac pump, or external oil pump, stock type pump only, no billet, maximum 2 inch carb spacer, no rubber spacers, plastic or aluminum only, no computers, or hook ups for computers, single disc clutch, min. 10 inch, no titanium drive line parts, or carbon fiber brakes, carbon fiber limited to the drive shaft, min. cubes, 286, because of the 3000 lb. weight min. in SS\CS, stud mounted rockers only, with the exception of mopar, I like 5 forward gears, because or the action, EVERY gear, clutch must be used Think of the cam companys that would get involved with that. I think with flat tops, we could see ten 0's maybe. Let me know what you think. You will be hard pressed to get 10 to 1 out of the brodix head, believe me. All could be checked with a snap-on scope, and the head exchange will eliminate any exotic work. Let me know what you think.

[randy wilson]

We could go so far as no knife edging on the crank, stock lifter size, stock cam diameter, and stock firing order, and steel pans only. All could be checked with an access hole in the pan.

[Dick Butler]

Only Stick? Auto with Brake? No handicap? Line loc okay.what did they cost?

[randy wilson]

No, automatics are ok with me, but you would absolutely have to give the 2 speed a weight brake. Not so concerned with the 3 speed high dollar autos, but in this situation, a 2 speed will be at a disadvantage to a clutch. Line locs fine with me.

[Dick Butler]

PG cars got 100 lb lighter car in Modified before didnt they? or was it more?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

PG cars got 100 lb lighter car in Modified before didnt they? or was it more?

This is the way the current rules read:

WEIGHT
Cars with fully automatic transmissions with converter may remove
up to 5 percent or 250 pounds, whichever is less, from regular class
weight; may be under posted minimum weight. Cars weighed with
driver; minimum weight includes driver.

[randy wilson]

But I think that's rated against a clutchless now, am I right?

[Dick Butler]

With all the support here and good ideas they are varied levels of motor cost and complexity. Should a poll be taken of most important factors for the cars? Cost, simplicity by sealing them, claimer heads ok, etc?

[randy wilson]

Dick, my vote has got to be claimer heads, with a $500 exchange. It's simple, and logical. Also, it doesn't take hard work out of the equation. Sealed, or claimer motors destroys all that. Also, heads is what keeps most out of comp. They change designs seems like weekly. Also, I think it's important to keep the visual performance parts to a minimal, as we've discussed. I think a spec tire, fuel, and possibly rear gear, as long as it's entertaining. I love the fact that brodix evened up the competition, to where no one can bitch. Also, things I've brought up would keep valve train cost affordable.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

With all the support here and good ideas they are varied levels of motor cost and complexity. Should a poll be taken of most important factors for the cars? Cost, simplicity by sealing them, claimer heads ok, etc?

Just like Randy said, let's start with a Spec cylinder head:

http://www.brodix.com/heads/spec.php

Then: no Titanium valves, no external oil pump, no sheet metal intake only cast intake, one single 750 CFM carb, no crank trigger, no external vacuum pump, any compression, limit tire width to 11.5", 358 CID max engine. Must maintain OEM cylinder bore spacing, OEM engine deck height and engine block must have a OEM part number.

I think this would maintain an even competition and keep costs down for the class.