GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

What are you talking about? Our motors are so underrated that there is no one but me running my combination and only one other person running Andrew's motor. When I first started with my motor 20 years ago it was a 11.40 car in F/SA. The 400 Pontiacs , the 390 Fords and the 340 Chryslers are easily as good as our motors. Before you open your mouth you should have at least a clue what you are talking about.

So are you saying that they are not at all underated? You didnt get any gift? If someone went out and built your combinations and ran hard all year long, they wouldnt get HP? I will say honestly, that I dont care at all about your combination. It is up to the other guys in your class or any other class to push things if they want to. I will say that I really hate all of the 1000 ft qualifying that goes on.

My first love was a 1969 GTO. Before the new factory cars were announced I was looking at building a GTO. Eventually I will build several. Not because I think they are the best combination, but because I think they are cool.

As far as the whole VIN thing goes, I think that you guys are your own worst enemy. I really doubt that any of you are writing the NHRA to complain about all of the aftermarket parts that have been allowed over the last few years. If you had refused the any valve job, aftermarket rockers, any valvespring changes (etc.) I would maybe sympathize with you. A cool part of Stock used to be pushing the stock parts to their limit. Every once in a while a race was decided by those limits. It sucks when you lose that way, but to me, it is no worse than red lighting.

When I started racing Stock I purchased a 1995 Formula new from my local Pontiac dealer. At that time I sold or trashed about half of it. Right now I am finishing my 2010 Camaro. I started with a BIW, because there is almost nothing stock about Stock any more. I never asked the NHRA for anything, so I guarantee you it isnt my fault that a VIN is now irrelevant.

As far as the 427/425 combination goes. I would suggest that as delivered the number is pretty fair. I think that you can get quite a lot more out of it but it will take work and money just like any other combination. It is nowhere near as out of wack as a lot of the brand-X combinations. I cant speak for the other COPO combinations.

I think that GM has done their best to deliver an honest Stocker based on todays rules.

My record will probably stay broken.......

[Bruce Noland]

Our own worst enemies? Says who? Can you new car guys do anything more to ruin Stock? What could that be? I know, you're going to ask the oem's for the universial RR500 turboshaft option if we continue to speak out about this little cabal. To be honest big guy we have nothing to lose. You guys have taken all you can get. For now!

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Our own worst enemies? Says who? Can you new car guys do anything more to ruin Stock? What could that be? I know, you're going to ask the oem's for the universial RR500 turboshaft option if we continue to speak out about this little cabal. To be honest big guy we have nothing to lose. You guys have taken all you can get. For now!

now, now, now, Lets not go putting this load of @#$%/ blame on people who wish to participate with a new car.

[Bruce Noland]

Well let's see, there is plenty of blame to go around!

"New car folks" includes everyone who is involved in this Stocker sham. This includes the oem's, nhra and the guys who make it all possible - you know, the guys who are plunking down all the money. None of this would work for nhra and the oem's if the new car guys were not there putting up the dough to take advantage of their generous programs. Wouldn't you agree?

[D.Johns]

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[Charley Downing]

Can the same ten guys just shut the F*** up for one day about old vs new and under factored combos. You ***** clowns are like little kids, just shut up. Its not even fun screwing with you guys anymore. And has for the four or five complainers that don't race, but want to chime in. BUILD A STOCKER or SSer, or don't talk.

Greg if you ran your car all out at races like the columbus sportsnats this year (where you gave up class to keep from getting HP) people may take your complaints a little more serious.

New rule Kenny no one can post about new cars unless your over 75 years in age or you went to 4 or more national events last year.

D. John, I love Mr Crabs he always knows what to say.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by GUMP

As far as the 427/425 combination goes. I would suggest that as delivered the number is pretty fair. I think that you can get quite a lot more out of it but it will take work and money just like any other combination.

The number as delivered is fair? So because it will only run 1.10 under from the factory it's not underfactored? You put a 3 speed and converter in one and go 1.40 under without taking a valve cover off! I don't care what kind of car it is, that shouldn't be possible.

Honestly, I would get no sense of accomplishment qualifying at the top of the sheet at 1.00-1.10 under in one of these cars. Now, if you build one right and run it hard, that's good. Some people are doing that with the new cars, and I respect that, but there are all sorts who aren't.

As far as not running my car out and getting horsepower, it would be crazy to do so. I don't have the luxury of outrunning my competition by multiple tenths where won't matter if I move up a class or two. If I go 1.10 under a couple times this spring, then go to Columbus in July, and run Randi Lynn heads up spotting her 70 lbs? No thank you.

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Can the same ten guys just shut the F*** up for one day about old vs new and under factored combos. You ***** clowns are like little kids, just shut up. Its not even fun screwing with you guys anymore.

You may not have fun screwing with us anymore, but I damn sure enjoy screwing with you!

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by denbreeden

Yes. The stock guys don't want us, I thought you super stock guys would welcome us with open arms, lol.

Dennis

The Comp guys would love to see you jump in.

[Charley Downing]

Andrew when you get ready to come to the big boy races you just let us know. And if you don't know what big boy races are just ask your dad he quit going to them a few years ago.

[Bruce Noland]

Charley,

This issue isn't going away. nhra is beyond hope and the oem's keep feeding these bogus cars into the system and we will keep up the discussion. So get used to it "big boy."