GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

That was actually a serious question. What do people believe is a fair and honest rating for my car? 450-475-500-525-550-575-600-800?

What abou the other combos? What is a fair and honest rating in the eyes of the peers? What would you have rated them at if you were putting them in the guide? Again not talking class just HP?

As far as the supercharged cars go, I'd say 500 is about right for the smaller blower cars. The ones like yours and the COPO with the 2.9L blower maybe 20-30 more, I'm not sure how much better it is.

The 427 COPO would be closer around 460 I'd say, and the 428/427 CJ around 440-450. The 2010 352 CJ should be around 400, as should the 2012 363 (comparing it to the 5.7L hemi which still qualifies at the top). The 2010 281 CJ should probably be 310-315 or so, and the 2012 302 maybe 360-370. I'd put the 2013 302 CJ around 410-415.

The 5.7L and 6.1L DPs seem to be rated pretty fair now (421 and 440), the 6.4 probably needs another 20 or so to be rated similar to the 6.1, and the 5.9 should be around 375.

These are just my estimations as to what I think would be a lot closer, some still might be a little too soft, some maybe a little too hard. It's also difficult to compare when you get to the higher classes because the indexes as you move from A->CC->BB etc get so much tougher.

[Charley Downing]

Yea Andie my 281 motor rated at 315hp while the 1991 350 corvette is rated at 260hp(with a stick). That's real fair. The 281 in STK (with a current HP rating of around 260HP) is within 15 HP of where it needs to be(275-280).
If my motor is 50 HP soft, then your combo is 25 HP soft.

If your dad and others( bruce) hate NHRA so much why do you guys still race with them? No one is make you guys pay your memberships. Like it was posted earlier, take 2013 off and see if NHRA cares. But I can bet they could not give a **$$ if 50 or so of you take this year off.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Yea Andie my 281 motor rated at 315hp while the 1991 350 corvette is rated at 260hp(with a stick). That's real fair.

That one's soft as hell too, but if we're talking sticks, the 5.7 Hemi at 305 takes the cake. If I'm not mistaken, that 350 Corvette has a terrible intake, it would be an even better superstock combination.

Do you not think your motor can make close to 1.75 hp per cubic inch?

If your dad and others( bruce) hate NHRA so much why do you guys still race with them? No one is make you guys pay your memberships. Like it was posted earlier, take 2013 off and see if NHRA cares. But I can bet they could not give a **$$ if 50 or so of you take this year off.

If I wasn't racing he probably wouldn't. I think he likes the beer drinking aspect the most anyways.

[Charley Downing]

No Andie , between 442-453 is all HP we could get out of the new motor at big stuffs two weeks ago. With good pistons .70 over, killer stocker ring package and a new set of killer heads. And one of the best tuners in the country. No matter how good of parts we have we still only have 281CI to work with.
There is not that much to gain with this new stuff. The factory part are really good. We spent over 14 grand on the new motor with all kinds od stocker tricks and picked up 12-15 HP over the old mostly stock stuff wich made 440 HP.
I might be able to make 490-500 HP with a SS intake, SS pistons, SS heads and a few other SS things, but I still think 480-490 HP is around the max for a SS motor.

If you dad likes coming just to hang out he should be more like Bob and not care what the new cars are doing. Just where to eat.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

between 442-453 is all HP we could get out of the new motor at big stuffs two weeks ago. With good pistons .70 over, killer stocker ring package and a new set of killer set of heads. And one of the best tuners in the country. No matter how good of parts we have we still only have 281CI to work with.
There is not that much to gain with this new stuff. The factory part are really good. We spent over 14 grand on the new motor with all kinds od stocker tricks and picked up 12-15 HP over the old mostly stock stuff wich made 440 HP.

So then around 300 would be a fair number, I guess I wasn't too far off.

You say my motor is soft, it makes almost exactly 1.5 hp/rated hp. Assuming you're telling me the truth, you're about 43 rated hp away from that number.

Just curious, how many different cams have you guys tried, I'm sure there is a lot to be found there considering there haven't been many overhead cam stockers out there until the last couple years.

andie, who won C/SA and D/SA at Indy this year?

A 352 mustang red lit in the final of D, and Bryan Phillips won (super happy to see that). Kyle Ratcliff, who has one of the fastest LT1s in the country, won C, the new 302 in that class didn't run worth a crap (a 1.46 60' won't get it done). Did you notice what happened in E and F?

By the way, I go by Andrew, thanks.

[Andrew Hill]

The main problem I have with the bogus HP factors is that the performance aspect of class racing is already going by the wayside, and that is the only thing that separates stock and superstock from normal bracket racing. I like bracket racing, but heads ups and class are what make stock/ss the absolute best.

Imagine this: D/SA at Indy including myself, Randi Lynn Shipp, Bryan Phillips, Brad VanLant, Adam Davis, Tommy Gaynor, Leo Glasbrenner, Paul Boster, Vic Guilmino, and I'm sure there are some other really fast cars I'm forgetting. 350 Chevys, 400 Pontiacs, 340 Chryslers, LS1, 396 Chevy, maybe throw in a fast LT1. Talk about a bad *** class race. Then imagine one 352 Ford that's been prepared well and will run about .4 faster than any car on that list. Now everyone's racing for second place.

[Charley Downing]

Andie, who won C/SA and D/SA at Indy this year?

Conway lets not give NHRA any ideas. Beside that would be bad for you and JT. You guys would have way less customers if STK or SS went away.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Kevin Zaskowski

Imagine this, most of those people (you forgot about me) were at Indy and go to other National events with class. And once again, that 352 did not win "D" class at Indy.

I would have loved to be at Indy last year, just couldn't make it because of school. Unless I'm mistaken, none of the D3 national events in the summer had class, and I had to pick and choose which weekends I could get off from work. I raced class at Belle Rose last year and would have at Columbus, but ND decided to schedule the Michigan game that weekend (GO IRISH!).

And I didn't mean to forget you, just knew that you ran E/F most of last year, I thought you were in E at Indy, my mistake.

[Bruce Noland]

The mustang in D/SA was -.005 on the tree. That's the only reason he didn't win.